Ygduf

^^

I was about to summon Gary again!

Siu Blue Wind

Oh don't make me come in here. Did you see my reminder?

himespau 

Sorry, wasn't trying to bring up those topics, just trying differentiate playful teasing here from more heated disagreements elsewhere. Sometimes tone gets lost when all we can see is text without the subtext visual or oral cues would provide.

Radish_legs

Let's try to stay on topic. This forum is not all about me.

Radish_legs

Was talking to an acquaintance a while back. Master's racer. He had had a really bad cold he was recovering from. He mentioned he wanted to take sudafed before the race to try and help with the drainage, but he was afraid he might get tested and popped, so he didn't take the medication.

That scared me a little. I don't ever take sudafed. But the idea of being a cat 4 racer who doesn't really care about "making it" in racing, that I could be publicly sanctioned for doping for taking sudafed, unwittingly not realizing I was "doping." That scared me.

revchuck 

Sudafed isn't a problem as long as you keep to the dosage on the box. This applies to both the four- and twelve-hour versions. I use it often enough that I checked it out.

I was taking lisinopril + HCTZ for high blood pressure. When I started racing I had my doc change the prescription to just lisinopril because HCTZ is a known masking agent.

Ttoc6

Sudafed on the GlobalDRO---
TERMS AND CONDITIONS

Cost, benefit for me. I take sudafed for bad sinus infections to even feel normal. I don't take it in-competition because if i get bad enough to need it, probably shouldn't be racing anyways.

It's not things like these that worry me. It's substances in my vitamins, and other supplements that I don't even know are there. When I get a prescription I know with great certainty what I'm taking in whether it be an asthma inhaler or an anti-histamine. When I get protein powder from Costco, who the hell knows whats in there.

Also, my one shot at ever getting tested has come and gone. Don't forsee myself competing at a national level event again until I'm much older, so none of this really worries me at all.

TMonk

My teammate (cat 3 at the time) two years ago got tested after winning Dana Point, which is an NRC crit. That was pretty cool - good for some bragging rights. He was worried because he took a couple hits off a joint at a party a week back, but he's not a regular user so I told him not to worry about it.

gsteinb

While not related to sudafed, that's actually a real problem. If there was more random testing they'd catch people on all sorts of things without knowledge that they're an issue. Stuff you buy in the health food store, in particular.

topflightpro

I saw an interesting article about Froome that discussed a lot of the science and pharmacology behind the way the body metabolises various medications. (Unfortunately, I cannot find the link now, and it was more of a blog post.) But the guy noted several academic articles that showed how there are so many other factors that could affect you salbutamol levels. For example, taking a dosage while extremely dehydrated could cause substantially elevated levels, even if the dosage your taking would theoretically be within limit.

I mention this not to absolve Froome, but it is a concern of mine. I've mentioned many times that I have extreme allergies and full asthma. I have a prescription for Zyrtec D to allow me to take it daily. I also have prescriptions for two inhalers - a daily one to manage my Asthma and then a rescue one for flare ups or exercise induced issues. If I take these as prescribed, I should, in theory, be below the limits. And because I should be below the limits, a TUE is not needed. But, should I encounter a situation where my body is off one day, is there a chance I could be over the allowable limit without really knowing it? I don't really know.

And as others said, I'm also concerned that some of the vitamins or other reasonable supplements I take could be contaminated. My protein powder has a NSF Safe for Sport label, but are the generic Flintstones vitamins I take 100 % kosher?

himespau 

And, given the complete lack of regulation of the dietary supplements industry, can you be sure that the NSF Safe for Sport label is all that meaningful?

TheKillerPenguin

I google usada + centrum and also check the high risk table like 1x/month. For a ****ing multivitamin! Lame AF!

Doge

I used Sudafed and aspirin early 80s for TTs and had no idea on the legality of the stuff. I watched my HR closely and I expect I had much more top end available, but didn't know it then.

About a decade or so ago I had a big soccer game to officiate and I had a terrible head cold. I took Sudafed (for the last time) as the game must go on. I felt great and was keeping up with the kids (the 20 year olds). I typically wear a HRM during games and got home and saw I was frequently at my max for about an hour. We had had another official have a heart attack that year. It scared me quite a bit. Never touched the stuff since then, and I certainly would not ride with it.

Sometimes I wonder if this stuff encourages use. For Sudafed it says more than 50mL/6 hours is prohibited.
So does someone decide some is better than none and get the children's dose? It says the 15mg/5ml solution is banned, but I'd expect you could stay under the limit with that.

Anyway, nasty stuff for me, I'll not use it an workout again. Might use it if sitting at my desk.

TheKillerPenguin

The high HR is more to do with being sick I would think. Years ago I did a race after being off my bike for 3 weeks with a chest cold and my avg HR for the 3 hours was 180bpm, which was technically my LTHR.

gsteinb

You're not going to have me to kick around much longer.

mattm

USADA changes for 2018

https://www.usada.org/2018-prohibite...major-changes/

Ttoc6

Dammit, guess CRISPR is off the table now..

Seems very proactive by USADA to ban something that is so very experimental like that lol.

ancker

Related: My HR was 170 (LTHR: 180) doing 140w (low Z2) today.

Still getting over the lingering sinus crap that is sticking around almost 3 weeks after a nasty cold.
I don't like taking any medication, but took Sudafed/Mucinex/Dayquil (the every 4 hours kinds) at various times over the weeks in an attempt to find any relief. Never more than 2 doses in a day, never together, etc. A few times a bit before a workout, though my sinuses clear up while on the trainer.

Not once did I wonder/consider that it might be a banned substance. Weird.

High HR is almost definitely due to still kinda being sick and reduced fitness due to lack of meaningful riding for almost 6 weeks due to work travel immediately followed by illness. Haven't taken medicine in over a week. Also possibly a little inflated by lack of hydration most of the day.

Radish_legs

Fluticasone (Flonase) is now on the banned list. I assume that the nasal spray is not banned though, based on the language. Triamcinolone, a commonly used topical steroid, is on the banned list. I'm reading both can be taken orally, so I assume that the inhaled and topical formulation of these drugs are still legal?

jsk

"All glucocorticoids are prohibited in-competition when administered by oral, intravenous, intramuscular or rectal routes."

Doesn't say anything about nasal spray, and GlobalDRO says that Flonase is 'Not Prohibited'.

furiousferret

Like there's a way they can trace it.

There's an experimental gene therapy that 'cures' asthma. I'd be on it in a heartbeat, if its out there. They tested it in rats. I'm not sure what's more amazing, a cure for asthma, or that someone has a job to find asthmatic rats.

TheKillerPenguin

https://www.usada.org/wp-content/upl...allet-card.pdf pg 11 specifically says Flonase is allowed. Is this changed in 2018?

Edit: pg 7 also clarifies that use via inhalation (so like a spray) is fine. So the link mattm posted looks to maintain the status quo.

Wylde06

Started a new diabetes medication, via injection..checked and it isnt on the list of banned substances. Although, if they started testing cat 4's here, then something is wrong.

Ygduf

https://themoscowtimes.com/news/russ...-arrives-60204

topflightpro

Some of you might find this seminar interesting: https://www.rti.org/event/winning-al...ent=1517957755