Go Back  Bike Forums > Bike Forums > Touring
Reload this Page >

Modifying tents

Search
Notices
Touring Have a dream to ride a bike across your state, across the country, or around the world? Self-contained or fully supported? Trade ideas, adventures, and more in our bicycle touring forum.

Modifying tents

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 09-20-11, 11:25 AM
  #1  
Cyclebum
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Cyclebum's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: NE Tx
Posts: 2,766

Bikes: Tour Easy, Linear USS, Lightening Thunderbolt, custom DF, Raleigh hybrid, Felt time trial

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Modifying tents

I travel with a Eureka Spitfire 1, a very inexpensive yet solid solo tent. I've added additional stake points for fly tensioning and attached a footprint for convenience in the setup. Have also figured out how to pitch the fly without the inner, tho it was not designed for that.

Was wondering what, if any, modifications you have made, or plan to make, to your tent to make it "better"? Did the manufacturer achieve perfection without your assistance? If so, what tent?
Cyclebum is offline  
Old 09-20-11, 11:32 AM
  #2  
Booger1
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Gaseous Cloud around Uranus
Posts: 3,741
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 38 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 11 Times in 7 Posts
I got tired of modifying tents and made the whole thing.Now it has what I want.
Booger1 is offline  
Old 09-20-11, 11:38 AM
  #3  
Rich B.
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Manchester, CT
Posts: 66

Bikes: LHT

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
I have the same tent, and I have added a TYVEK footprint with grommetted webbing that holds the footprint out tight by the tension provided by the pole ends. I've never felt that the fly is supported away from the mesh netting as far as it could be. Saw a Youtube on one guy's solution by squaring foot of the fly with additional stake outs. Was that you by chance? I once saw a Youtube about the process of setting the fly up first, but it was gone before I bought my tent. Can you describe your technique?
Rich B. is offline  
Old 09-20-11, 11:52 AM
  #4  
MichaelW
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: England
Posts: 12,948
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 19 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 7 Times in 7 Posts
After 8 weeks sleeping in my Akto the only improvement I wanted was a better retaining system for folding the door up.
I did think about an additional rain porch extension to be placed over the top of the fly. I know some people have build these.
MichaelW is offline  
Old 09-20-11, 01:26 PM
  #5  
antokelly
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 3,275
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 158 Post(s)
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
if i could make my akto about 6sq feet bigger i would be a happy akto camper.
antokelly is offline  
Old 09-20-11, 01:52 PM
  #6  
Rob_E
Senior Member
 
Rob_E's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Raleigh, NC
Posts: 2,709

Bikes: Downtube 8H, Surly Troll

Mentioned: 7 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 303 Post(s)
Liked 22 Times in 21 Posts
I changed the suspension on my Hennessy Hammock tent to something that doesn't require me to untie it every time I want to adjust the tension. Also sent it off to have a zipper installed to allow side as well as bottom entry. added an extra loop to my ridge line to tie my pillow to.

I may, eventually, figure out some sort of underquilt solution to allow for cooler weather camping, but so far all my camping has been in decent temps. Also might like a larger rain fly.
Rob_E is offline  
Old 09-20-11, 04:16 PM
  #7  
Cyclebum
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Cyclebum's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: NE Tx
Posts: 2,766

Bikes: Tour Easy, Linear USS, Lightening Thunderbolt, custom DF, Raleigh hybrid, Felt time trial

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Rich B, I pretension the poles on the Spitfire using cords cut to length and grommets at each end. That anchors the poles and allows me to work with the fly until it's erect. Once the poles are pretensioned, the rest is intuitive, simple, and fast. Stake out the fly and if desired, go inside and clip on the mesh inner. I've also got a plastic ground cloth with grommets for pretensioning. Intend to pitch just the fly/ground cloth during an upcoming short Fall tour. Makes for a 25 sq ft space vs 18 when using the inner.

That was not me in the video you mentioned.
Cyclebum is offline  
Old 09-20-11, 05:00 PM
  #8  
Gotte
Senior Member
 
Gotte's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 1,334
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Oooh, one of my favourite subjects. My first tent - I got a highlander forces tent, heavy but roomy and really well designed. Ultra stable. Swapped out the fibre glass poles for alu and changed the heavy guys and pegs for lightweight, and got it from 3.5kg to 2.2 kg. Next one, a second hand TNF tadpole. It's a great tent, but blue/ After much research, figured I could dye it. Tried it and it worked a treat - 1.9kg, and green not blue. next one, a hike lite. Great tent, but not made any more. Got one cheap off ebay. Took off the heavy buckles and webbing, swapped the pegs for ultralites. Got it down from 2 kg to 1.7. None of them ultralite, I know, but on a limited budget, it's okay, and all three are ultra good designs. Now I just have problem choosing which one to take.
Gotte is offline  
Old 09-20-11, 05:54 PM
  #9  
Blues Frog
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 550
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
See what you guys think. https://www.seattlefabrics.com/bilgy.html I have been mulling this over. It means I may not get motivated to do it. If any of you do make this put up a thread for us DIY tourers please. You can make an ultralight vestibule without the tent. Make it with the Cuben material. Good Luck. Blues Frog
Blues Frog is offline  
Old 09-20-11, 07:14 PM
  #10  
goalieMN
Got Scotch?
 
goalieMN's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Minnetonka, MN
Posts: 277

Bikes: QR Kilo, Specialized Crossroads

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by Rob_E
I changed the suspension on my Hennessy Hammock tent to something that doesn't require me to untie it every time I want to adjust the tension. Also sent it off to have a zipper installed to allow side as well as bottom entry. added an extra loop to my ridge line to tie my pillow to.

I may, eventually, figure out some sort of underquilt solution to allow for cooler weather camping, but so far all my camping has been in decent temps. Also might like a larger rain fly.
That sounds exactly like what I did. I have a nice strap suspension, and the zipper mod makes it much more user-friendly. I also use a different tarp than the stock one it came with. 2 minutes, 2 trees, and I am set for a night of comfort.
goalieMN is offline  
Old 09-20-11, 08:39 PM
  #11  
zzOtherlandzz
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Near Palatka Florida
Posts: 1,246

Bikes: 2011 Rocky Mountain Vertex 29'r, 2007 Trek 1500 -- 2003 Gary Fisher Tassajara -- 2006 Gary Fisher Tassajara Disc (converted to touring bike)

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by Blues Frog
See what you guys think. https://www.seattlefabrics.com/bilgy.html I have been mulling this over. It means I may not get motivated to do it. If any of you do make this put up a thread for us DIY tourers please. You can make an ultralight vestibule without the tent. Make it with the Cuben material. Good Luck. Blues Frog
I had to check the link out... Found this site here with a bunch of pictures of it up... Scroll towards the bottom... https://questoutfitters.com/patterns-...20bag-cart.htm
zzOtherlandzz is offline  
Old 09-20-11, 08:49 PM
  #12  
fietsbob
Banned
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: NW,Oregon Coast
Posts: 43,598

Bikes: 8

Mentioned: 197 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 7607 Post(s)
Liked 1,355 Times in 862 Posts
just about the time Moss sold out to MSR, I got a single pole Teepee like tent,
Moss had gone off shore, it was a closeout,, no floor,
and it as a winter tent had no Mozzy net to leave the door open,
but still keep the bugs out, tent repair services, a spin off of the old Moss workers,
still in Maine, made the parts needed to turn it back into a 4 season single wall tent,

albeit not a very light one..... 9 pounds..

Stevenson Warmlight in NH offers a menu of custom options, to have their tents made to.

Way lighter.. lots of colors to select.
fietsbob is offline  
Old 09-20-11, 08:56 PM
  #13  
mtnbud
Senior Member
 
mtnbud's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Salem Oregon
Posts: 1,030

Bikes: 2019 Trek Stash 7, 1994 Specialized Epic 1986 Diamondback Ascent 1996 Klein Pulse Comp, 2006 Specialized Sequoia Elite

Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 418 Post(s)
Liked 523 Times in 291 Posts
I have one of these:

I wasn't happy with the steeply sloped sides, so attached a couple of guy lines to each side and now have much greater usable space.
mtnbud is online now  
Old 09-21-11, 12:19 AM
  #14  
MassiveD
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Posts: 2,441
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 33 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 4 Times in 3 Posts
I'm just wading through Ray Jardines 312 page tarp book. I'm enjoying it. It's a bit difficult to justify such a long book on such a short subject, but then I am learning stuff even with 50 years camping and a stint in the industry, so I think it is worth it.

I tried out a tarp in '05, but it didn't work for me. I probably would have thought the Bilgy (i'm a big A-frame tent proponent for the right situations) was ideal. It seemed as though Ray was basically re-inventing the tent with his tarp and net tents. Now that I am getting into it in greater detail, I see the tarp is kinda the anti-tent. It is much more flexible, You start with the "fly" and erect the rest later, this keeps you dry. The tarp puts as much enphasis on ventilation as the tent puts on encapsulation. The tarp can be erected amidst plants, and the net part, where used, can be offset, making finding stealth sites a lot easier. It also can be pitched in a lot of different ways to deal with wind, and many other factors. The Bilgy is supposed to do that also, but is more limited.

Ray really has thought it all through, and for every tent feature there is a tarp counter feature. Like the secure fealing you get by being inside the tent, in the tarp you can see out , many times 360, and if something bad happens you can bug-out.

Tarp allows one to mix and match stuff, smaller net tents, or larger ones. Differente sizes or colours of tarp, So I have a digi camo heavy tarp, and a silnylon one in grey (or will when the sewing is done).

And, of course, you can use the tarp without the net tent, though in my enviro there won't be many chances for that.

So for me anyway, I am going to give the whole tarp thing another try. What failed originally was, some poor technique on my part. I'm pretty able to inovate, but I was missing some techniques. Never actually hurt me since I didn't ever have to use stuff like found poles, but I feel better knowing I have more info this time out. I was just using a square tarp of whatever size. I didn't have a proper net solution. And to add some comic relief, the silnylon tarp somehow snaked it's way out of a secure bag and lost itself on the road.

Cost wise the Rayway stuff is close enough, and the instructions and materials are great, all first quality. I have been working on stuff sacks, the first kit I opened, and the material in there had some marks on it and some quality problems. but there was a ton of it. So it was a case of feeling it wasn't 100% up to snuff when there was 200% coverage, with 100% good stuff in there, and 100% to make a ton of other stuff with. So I guess I shouldn't worry. The expensive stuff, like the silnylon is beautiful.
MassiveD is offline  
Old 09-21-11, 06:55 AM
  #15  
Juha
Formerly Known as Newbie
 
Juha's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Helsinki, Finland
Posts: 6,249
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 4 Times in 3 Posts
Originally Posted by Rob_E
I changed the suspension on my Hennessy Hammock tent to something that doesn't require me to untie it every time I want to adjust the tension.
Originally Posted by goalieMN
That sounds exactly like what I did. I have a nice strap suspension[...]
Either one of you care to elaborate on the suspension mod? Most of my set up time with the hammock is spent adjusting the suspension, so any ideas as to how to make that part easier would be great.

--J
__________________
To err is human. To moo is bovine.

Who is this General Failure anyway, and why is he reading my drive?


Become a Registered Member in Bike Forums
Community guidelines
Juha is offline  
Old 09-21-11, 10:10 AM
  #16  
Rob_E
Senior Member
 
Rob_E's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Raleigh, NC
Posts: 2,709

Bikes: Downtube 8H, Surly Troll

Mentioned: 7 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 303 Post(s)
Liked 22 Times in 21 Posts
Originally Posted by Juha
Either one of you care to elaborate on the suspension mod? Most of my set up time with the hammock is spent adjusting the suspension, so any ideas as to how to make that part easier would be great.

--J
Sounds like the two of us went different routes. I swapped out my stock cords for "whoopie slings." Basically you take a strong, hollow, braided rope and thread the rope through itself. You end up with a loop of an adjustable length. Connect that loop to your tree straps, repeat for the other side, and then adjust the loops to get your desired tension and placement between the trees. Sometimes a simple knot is used on the tree strap, but otherwise there are no knots involved in the set-up procedure, and it's adjustable without taking the hammock down.

After my first camping trip with the Hennessy, after repeatedly undoing and redoing the Hennessy lashing during the set-up process, I decided that there had to be an easier way. Google led me here: https://www.hammockforums.net/forum/s...ead.php?t=9349 where people spend as much time talking hammocks as we do bicycles. Lots of instructions and even video tutorials to help you switch to a different hammock suspension. The whoopie sling conversion looked complicated when I read about it, but was super easy once I assembled my supplies, and all the fiddly stuff was the one-time suspension swap. When you're setting up camp, it couldn't be easier.
Rob_E is offline  
Old 09-21-11, 12:10 PM
  #17  
goalieMN
Got Scotch?
 
goalieMN's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Minnetonka, MN
Posts: 277

Bikes: QR Kilo, Specialized Crossroads

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
I did my suspension modification more like this:

https://www.hammockforums.net/forum/showthread.php?t=12

It also allows quick setup, and I use little things I bought off of the hammockforums instead of caribiners to save even more weight.
goalieMN is offline  
Old 09-21-11, 02:00 PM
  #18  
MassiveD
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Posts: 2,441
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 33 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 4 Times in 3 Posts
Splicing braid is fun. I don't see the need for Amsteel, that's for holding up the spar on my trimaran. BUt I love the stuff. Speaking of my trimaran those instruction on the hammock thread are more complicated than the whole rigging on my boat...

Until recently I did all my splicing with the cap off a marking pen from which I removed the pocket clip. More recently I made proper fids. But anyone looking for a one-off could try it, or dip the end in epoxy. That's another one.
MassiveD is offline  
Old 09-21-11, 02:57 PM
  #19  
Bekologist
totally louche
 
Bekologist's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: A land that time forgot
Posts: 18,023

Bikes: the ever shifting stable loaded with comfortable road bikes and city and winter bikes

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 10 Times in 9 Posts
I've done tunnel vents for peak ventilation.

I even tried supersizing a tarptent to park a bike in it with me, but it didn't work as well as i'd like. I'll just go for a larger pyramid if thats whats needed.

I'd love to add a snow tunnel entrance to one of my winter tents, but neither of them really need it or could take it. used to love those things.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg
bigtentproject2.jpg (84.8 KB, 9 views)
File Type: jpg
bigtentproject5.jpg (90.3 KB, 11 views)
Bekologist is offline  
Old 09-21-11, 04:18 PM
  #20  
SweetLou
Senior Member
 
SweetLou's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 2,114
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
Originally Posted by goalieMN
I did my suspension modification more like this:

https://www.hammockforums.net/forum/showthread.php?t=12

It also allows quick setup, and I use little things I bought off of the hammockforums instead of caribiners to save even more weight.
Dutch Clips? You gotta love'em.
SweetLou is offline  
Old 09-21-11, 05:04 PM
  #21  
goalieMN
Got Scotch?
 
goalieMN's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Minnetonka, MN
Posts: 277

Bikes: QR Kilo, Specialized Crossroads

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by SweetLou
Dutch Clips? You gotta love'em.
Yeah. I didn't think anyone would know what I was talking about though if I actually called them "Dutch Clips...."

Dutch clips, buckle-suspension, larger asymetrical tarp, and the zipper mod = hammock heaven for me.
goalieMN is offline  
Old 09-21-11, 05:15 PM
  #22  
phughes
Senior Member
 
phughes's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 3,094
Mentioned: 7 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1034 Post(s)
Liked 1,290 Times in 743 Posts
Originally Posted by Rob_E
I changed the suspension on my Hennessy Hammock tent to something that doesn't require me to untie it every time I want to adjust the tension. Also sent it off to have a zipper installed to allow side as well as bottom entry. added an extra loop to my ridge line to tie my pillow to.

I may, eventually, figure out some sort of underquilt solution to allow for cooler weather camping, but so far all my camping has been in decent temps. Also might like a larger rain fly.
I have a Warbonnet. Sorry, I couldn't resist. I am happy I got it though. I got the webbing option so I attach it to the trees with webbing and caribiners which makes setup a lot easier. I also got the Big Mamajamba tarp which gives me very good coverage.

What have you been using for insulation? So far I have just been using a pad and it has worked so far. A quilt would be nice.
phughes is offline  
Old 09-21-11, 09:16 PM
  #23  
SweetLou
Senior Member
 
SweetLou's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 2,114
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
What kind of pad? I was thinking about trying one of those self-inflating ones, but I don't think it would be comfortable. I don't want to take two different under insulation systems but am looking for something I can use when I go to ground. Maybe something like the Neo-Air. I need to do some tests.
SweetLou is offline  
Old 09-21-11, 11:25 PM
  #24  
goalieMN
Got Scotch?
 
goalieMN's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Minnetonka, MN
Posts: 277

Bikes: QR Kilo, Specialized Crossroads

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by SweetLou
What kind of pad? I was thinking about trying one of those self-inflating ones, but I don't think it would be comfortable. I don't want to take two different under insulation systems but am looking for something I can use when I go to ground. Maybe something like the Neo-Air. I need to do some tests.
I've used an old self-inflating Therm-a-rest from the early 1990's in my hammock and it works great.
goalieMN is offline  
Old 09-22-11, 08:18 AM
  #25  
Juha
Formerly Known as Newbie
 
Juha's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Helsinki, Finland
Posts: 6,249
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 4 Times in 3 Posts
Thanks for the hammock instructions, I'll definitely look into those.

--J
__________________
To err is human. To moo is bovine.

Who is this General Failure anyway, and why is he reading my drive?


Become a Registered Member in Bike Forums
Community guidelines
Juha is offline  


Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service -

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.