Puget Pounder

I love lugs, but it's not a dealbreaker for me if the bike rides and feels great. These kinds of bikes just reinforce this:



Saw it on the Lovelybike blog.

Would love it own something like this!

fietsbob

Fillet braze is a honorable way to hand build . TIG gets the job done.

Chombi

Lugless construction was looked down upon at one time, specially when you only saw it on department store bikes and low model Peugeots in the early 80's.Despite that, I was always impressed by the internally brazed lugless construction that Peugeot had on most of their low to lower mid range bikes in the early 80's They were not expensvie bikes but the clean lugless construction really made the frames look very clean, plus must have helped to keep the weights down. The lugless frames from them also provided the now legendary smooth ride that Peugeots were known for.
The welded, non lugged aluminum and some Ti frames that came up in the mid to late 80's looked a bit messy in comparison as you can see the blobby welds on them. You had to get a more expensive or custom bike to get something with built up and smoothed out fillet welds.

Chombi

divineAndbright

Nice aero dynamic advantages with smooth lugless frames! The above example is fairly nice, would of preferred to see a threadless stem at least if you're doing a modern build though.

Puget Pounder

I agree. I am a heretic and prefer threadless...

JohnDThompson 

Or a raked fork, if you're not.

unterhausen

I think it would look nicer with a raked fork either way. I am not a big fan of quill stems

Fillet brazed frames were something of a rarity back in the '70s, but you would see them occasionally.

jbkirby

I have a 1971 Schwinn Sports Tourer that I purchased new in March of 1972 that features fillet-brazed joints. I plan to clean it up over the winter as I will be celebrating it's fortieth year!

afilado

https://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...ess?highlight=

Grand Bois

There is nothing about that bike that I like, but there's no accounting for taste.

divineAndbright

Cool.. I recently picked up the same brake calipers, I have a feeling setting up the rear one will be a bit tricky as the cable braze ons are on the usual left side of the frame, and it seems the brake would prefer the feed from the right, I wish they didn't make the calipers mirrored as they are, but they are so neat nevertheless!

bbattle

You should put that bike in the spoke thread; 18F and 20R. Definitely not C & V.

Roger M

Nothing C&V about it, and the forks bent

Puget Pounder

I've seen less CV things around this forum. There's a quill stem at least. Sorry for sharing, folks. I see rivendells and custom steel posted here all the time, with less wining.

fender1

Well, I was happy to see it. Screw the closed minded.

rothenfield1

There will probably be a time, near-at-hand, when C&V will have to open-up its criterion on what is C&V if it wants to keep its popularity. There are a few really great modern TIG welded frame makers out there, and I would love to have one, but is it C&V? My vote is no!

photogravity

I, too, love lugged frames. With that said, the brazing on my Davidson tandem is beautifully done... Every time I look at this bike I smile.


Davidson Tandem Bicycle - 8 by Sallad Rialb, on Flickr

rothenfield1

fuji86

I find the bike aesthetically pleasing, nothing tasteless about it. I'd own it and ride it as long as it was a smooth operating and functional piece of equipment. Would I prefer it, depends ?

look171

Anyone know what is it that the frame builders do to get them looking smooth like that in the lugless area?

jbchybridrider 

The Peugeot direct brazing system was quite neat maybe because is was done by a machine, not hand.

bbattle

The tubes are carefully mitered to fit together perfectly with no gaps. The solder is added to the seams and glues everything together like a caulk seam. The flux is washed off and then the sanding, sanding and more sanding begins. With lugs, the solder is drawn into the space between the tube and the lug, just like soldering copper water pipes under the kitchen sink.







https://www.nimbuscycles.co.uk/html/c...echniques.html
https://www.framebuilderscollective.o...illet-brazing/


video of Bilenky fillet brazing a frame: https://vimeo.com/16776471

Puget Pounder

I've yet to know the fine details of TIG, Fillet, and lugs, but I am going to start doing research. I know there are a million resources for this so I will start learning.

And people, I treat C&V as a style and the forum as a community. Did I say the bike was CV? No, I did not. I posted it here because the CV community appreciates steel bikes and fine workmanship. If you are going to be the gestapo about bikes made after a certain time period, then please tell me that cut off time period and be consistent with every thread on here.

I was just appreciating the smooth lugless construction of the bike.

photogravity

You're always going to have some contingent of folks that won't like what you have to say or share... It is part of being a community. Just keep on keeping on and ignore any negativity that might come your way. I try not to be offensive, but am sure there have been times when I may have gotten under someone's skin a bit.

About lugless: I appreciate bikes as a rule. I really enjoy lugged bikes, but a well done fillet brazed frame is a sight to behold. I'll need to take some closeup pictures of the brazing on the Davidson so you can see just how smooth and well done they are.

Maddox

Bilenky showing how to fillet braze a custom frame: https://vimeo.com/16776471

Jordan Hufnagel filing fillet brazed joints and talking about framebuilding: https://vimeo.com/5518149