Retro roadies- old frames with STI's or Ergos
04-15-19, 07:38 AM
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Just remembered, I did upgrade the brake shoes on the Sora R3000.
Ultegra shoes improved braking substantially. It was night and day. The stock units were not good.
Ultegra shoes improved braking substantially. It was night and day. The stock units were not good.
04-15-19, 12:16 PM
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Retro roadie mixte!
I didn’t mean for this to happen. I was perfectly happy with my vintage British mixte as it was. But I jumped on a set of Campy wheels offered by a forum member that came with an 11 speed rear hub and I was off to the races.
Background: I acquired this nice mixte frame last year from eBay UK. It has a Claud Butler head badge and decal and a “Refurbished by Bob Jackson” decal the seat post. Reynolds 531 decals on frame and fork and Campagnolo dropouts. So I built it up with old Campy stuff and it was a sweet ride - very responsive. But it really didn’t get ridden much.
So when the lovely wheels arrived I got this wild hair of an idea to put an 11 speed Chorus drive train on it
. I scrounged parts from eBay and other sources, spread the rear triangle to 130mm, and added 30mm Grand Bois Cerf tires. The brakes, being centerpulls, remained the same, as did the Campy pedals with toe clips and straps. The fender line got adjusted, as well, and I like it better than before
So now I have a Retro Roadie mixte and it’s a really frisky ride! Many tweaks to go, of course, but it’s become one of my favorites.
Background: I acquired this nice mixte frame last year from eBay UK. It has a Claud Butler head badge and decal and a “Refurbished by Bob Jackson” decal the seat post. Reynolds 531 decals on frame and fork and Campagnolo dropouts. So I built it up with old Campy stuff and it was a sweet ride - very responsive. But it really didn’t get ridden much.
So when the lovely wheels arrived I got this wild hair of an idea to put an 11 speed Chorus drive train on it
. I scrounged parts from eBay and other sources, spread the rear triangle to 130mm, and added 30mm Grand Bois Cerf tires. The brakes, being centerpulls, remained the same, as did the Campy pedals with toe clips and straps. The fender line got adjusted, as well, and I like it better than beforeSo now I have a Retro Roadie mixte and it’s a really frisky ride! Many tweaks to go, of course, but it’s become one of my favorites.
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04-15-19, 12:59 PM
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I didn’t mean for this to happen. I was perfectly happy with my vintage British mixte as it was. But I jumped on a set of Campy wheels offered by a forum member that came with an 11 speed rear hub and I was off to the races.
Background: I acquired this nice mixte frame last year from eBay UK. It has a Claud Butler head badge and decal and a “Refurbished by Bob Jackson” decal the seat post. Reynolds 531 decals on frame and fork and Campagnolo dropouts. So I built it up with old Campy stuff and it was a sweet ride - very responsive. But it really didn’t get ridden much.
So when the lovely wheels arrived I got this wild hair of an idea to put an 11 speed Chorus drive train on it . I scrounged parts from eBay and other sources, spread the rear triangle to 130mm, and added 30mm Grand Bois Cerf tires. The brakes, being centerpulls, remained the same, as did the Campy pedals with toe clips and straps. The fender line got adjusted, as well, and I like it better than before
So now I have a Retro Roadie mixte and it’s a really frisky ride! Many tweaks to go, of course, but it’s become one of my favorites.
Background: I acquired this nice mixte frame last year from eBay UK. It has a Claud Butler head badge and decal and a “Refurbished by Bob Jackson” decal the seat post. Reynolds 531 decals on frame and fork and Campagnolo dropouts. So I built it up with old Campy stuff and it was a sweet ride - very responsive. But it really didn’t get ridden much.
So when the lovely wheels arrived I got this wild hair of an idea to put an 11 speed Chorus drive train on it
. I scrounged parts from eBay and other sources, spread the rear triangle to 130mm, and added 30mm Grand Bois Cerf tires. The brakes, being centerpulls, remained the same, as did the Campy pedals with toe clips and straps. The fender line got adjusted, as well, and I like it better than beforeSo now I have a Retro Roadie mixte and it’s a really frisky ride! Many tweaks to go, of course, but it’s become one of my favorites.
04-15-19, 03:07 PM
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@Honusms BRAVO! Hey folks, we have STIs on a mixte! [if they've been done before, pardon my ignorance, of course] But super high tech 11s Campy on a '70s (right?) Raleigh? That ain't been done before. Gorgeous bike!
@BFisher glad it's worked out well for you! I thought I spied upgraded pads...haha. It's nice to be able to stop easily and quickly, and it doesn't take Dura-Ace to do it!
EDIT: Reading is hard. Apologies for the Raleigh reference. I totally read the CB and Bob Jackson bit, but my brain majorly auto-categorized it as a Raleigh because, maybe the head badge looked close in proportion, the head tube and color of the bike reminded me of a Raleigh, and...??? Gah....fail!
@BFisher glad it's worked out well for you! I thought I spied upgraded pads...haha. It's nice to be able to stop easily and quickly, and it doesn't take Dura-Ace to do it!
EDIT: Reading is hard. Apologies for the Raleigh reference. I totally read the CB and Bob Jackson bit, but my brain majorly auto-categorized it as a Raleigh because, maybe the head badge looked close in proportion, the head tube and color of the bike reminded me of a Raleigh, and...??? Gah....fail!
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@Honusms BRAVO! Hey folks, we have STIs on a mixte! [if they've been done before, pardon my ignorance, of course] But super high tech 11s Campy on a '70s (right?) Raleigh? That ain't been done before. Gorgeous bike!
@BFisher glad it's worked out well for you! I thought I spied upgraded pads...haha. It's nice to be able to stop easily and quickly, and it doesn't take Dura-Ace to do it!
@BFisher glad it's worked out well for you! I thought I spied upgraded pads...haha. It's nice to be able to stop easily and quickly, and it doesn't take Dura-Ace to do it!
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I had a 2014 Record group with carbon bars and Fulcrum Racing 0 wheels in storage.While cleaning my 1978-79 Gianni Motta, I noticed that a lot of the original Record parts were showing rust, bearings needed replaced, etc. I made the decision to put the 2014 group on the bike and I couldn't be happier. It went from 21.8# to 19.6#, mostly due to the wheels and it rides like a dream.
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I get too excited sometimes...
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BTW that Motta looks devastating in all that black @Trsnrtr !
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BTW that Motta looks devastating in all that black @Trsnrtr !
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I had a 2014 Record group with carbon bars and Fulcrum Racing 0 wheels in storage.While cleaning my 1978-79 Gianni Motta, I noticed that a lot of the original Record parts were showing rust, bearings needed replaced, etc. I made the decision to put the 2014 group on the bike and I couldn't be happier. It went from 21.8# to 19.6#, mostly due to the wheels and it rides like a dream.
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Thanks, Guys. The ride is amazing. I also own a 2015 Giant Propel and this thing rides every bit as good with the modern group on it. I Had considered selling it but have definitely changed my mind.
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I had a 2014 Record group with carbon bars and Fulcrum Racing 0 wheels in storage.While cleaning my 1978-79 Gianni Motta, I noticed that a lot of the original Record parts were showing rust, bearings needed replaced, etc. I made the decision to put the 2014 group on the bike and I couldn't be happier. It went from 21.8# to 19.6#, mostly due to the wheels and it rides like a dream.
04-15-19, 09:17 PM
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I had a 2014 Record group with carbon bars and Fulcrum Racing 0 wheels in storage.While cleaning my 1978-79 Gianni Motta, I noticed that a lot of the original Record parts were showing rust, bearings needed replaced, etc. I made the decision to put the 2014 group on the bike and I couldn't be happier. It went from 21.8# to 19.6#, mostly due to the wheels and it rides like a dream
04-15-19, 09:26 PM
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@Honusms BRAVO! Hey folks, we have STIs on a mixte! [if they've been done before, pardon my ignorance, of course] But super high tech 11s Campy on a '70s (right?) Raleigh? That ain't been done before. Gorgeous bike!
@BFisher glad it's worked out well for you! I thought I spied upgraded pads...haha. It's nice to be able to stop easily and quickly, and it doesn't take Dura-Ace to do it!
EDIT: Reading is hard. Apologies for the Raleigh reference. I totally read the CB and Bob Jackson bit, but my brain majorly auto-categorized it as a Raleigh because, maybe the head badge looked close in proportion, the head tube and color of the bike reminded me of a Raleigh, and...??? Gah....fail!
@BFisher glad it's worked out well for you! I thought I spied upgraded pads...haha. It's nice to be able to stop easily and quickly, and it doesn't take Dura-Ace to do it!
EDIT: Reading is hard. Apologies for the Raleigh reference. I totally read the CB and Bob Jackson bit, but my brain majorly auto-categorized it as a Raleigh because, maybe the head badge looked close in proportion, the head tube and color of the bike reminded me of a Raleigh, and...??? Gah....fail!
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I didn’t mean for this to happen. I was perfectly happy with my vintage British mixte as it was. But I jumped on a set of Campy wheels offered by a forum member that came with an 11 speed rear hub and I was off to the races.
Background: I acquired this nice mixte frame last year from eBay UK. It has a Claud Butler head badge and decal and a “Refurbished by Bob Jackson” decal the seat post. Reynolds 531 decals on frame and fork and Campagnolo dropouts. So I built it up with old Campy stuff and it was a sweet ride - very responsive. But it really didn’t get ridden much.
So when the lovely wheels arrived I got this wild hair of an idea to put an 11 speed Chorus drive train on it . I scrounged parts from eBay and other sources, spread the rear triangle to 130mm, and added 30mm Grand Bois Cerf tires. The brakes, being centerpulls, remained the same, as did the Campy pedals with toe clips and straps. The fender line got adjusted, as well, and I like it better than before
So now I have a Retro Roadie mixte and it’s a really frisky ride! Many tweaks to go, of course, but it’s become one of my favorites.
Background: I acquired this nice mixte frame last year from eBay UK. It has a Claud Butler head badge and decal and a “Refurbished by Bob Jackson” decal the seat post. Reynolds 531 decals on frame and fork and Campagnolo dropouts. So I built it up with old Campy stuff and it was a sweet ride - very responsive. But it really didn’t get ridden much.
So when the lovely wheels arrived I got this wild hair of an idea to put an 11 speed Chorus drive train on it
. I scrounged parts from eBay and other sources, spread the rear triangle to 130mm, and added 30mm Grand Bois Cerf tires. The brakes, being centerpulls, remained the same, as did the Campy pedals with toe clips and straps. The fender line got adjusted, as well, and I like it better than beforeSo now I have a Retro Roadie mixte and it’s a really frisky ride! Many tweaks to go, of course, but it’s become one of my favorites.
04-16-19, 10:29 PM
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Cleaned up my "retro roadie" today and thought I'd share. This forum and thread have been inspiration for all my builds! This is a 1979-80 Bianchi Supercorsa/Superlegerra frame built up with Chorus 10, mostly, and first gen Shamals. Original seat post, stem, headset, pump. My main go-fast road bike for the past couple of years.
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04-17-19, 12:59 AM
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Great looking Bianchi! One of these days, I will build up a modern set of Shamals, ie the H+Son SL42s in high polish finish. Forget the 615g/rim weight, it's gonna look awesome!
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Too many gorgeous bikes in this thread to count!
04-21-19, 08:31 AM
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1991 Schwinn 354
Love the paint on this, and it climbs so well! Really enjoying the new R7000 Groupset, it's fantastic!
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04-21-19, 10:36 AM
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Beautiful Schwinn @ski4bob ! R7000 looks right at home. The red splatter on the blue paint is a really nice '90s touch, and the carbon fork looks natural.
I took a look at the Schwinn catalog scans, and it appears this is a 1991 354, and I only mention that as it is the one model with a seat post collar/clamp, and it's the "entry level" aluminum offering--the "higher level" models still use the quill seat post. I think that I would very much prefer the 354 for this reason. The other two models only seem a little lighter due to components. All that to say, I think you got the best of the bunch. The seat post diameter is still 27.2mm, so it's not like Schwinn skimped or downgraded that or anything else on the 354 vs the other models. 1991 looked like the last year of these aluminum offerings as well--a shame as they got it right, just before everything went poof.
My big question is, what 1" threadless fork did you find??? It looks very modern and very sleek, perfectly matching the R7000 and the seat post, stem and bars!
EDIT: I think I found it! It's a Hylix full carbon (330g or so, which is crazy light) 1" threadless. Great price, great look, and it chops a lot of weight off the front while likely aiding the ride. And for us tall 25"+ frame guys, the steerer is 300mm, so a fork upgrade is truly possible. How much does your 354 weigh now? I would have to think less than 20 lb!
I took a look at the Schwinn catalog scans, and it appears this is a 1991 354, and I only mention that as it is the one model with a seat post collar/clamp, and it's the "entry level" aluminum offering--the "higher level" models still use the quill seat post. I think that I would very much prefer the 354 for this reason. The other two models only seem a little lighter due to components. All that to say, I think you got the best of the bunch. The seat post diameter is still 27.2mm, so it's not like Schwinn skimped or downgraded that or anything else on the 354 vs the other models. 1991 looked like the last year of these aluminum offerings as well--a shame as they got it right, just before everything went poof.
My big question is, what 1" threadless fork did you find??? It looks very modern and very sleek, perfectly matching the R7000 and the seat post, stem and bars!
EDIT: I think I found it! It's a Hylix full carbon (330g or so, which is crazy light) 1" threadless. Great price, great look, and it chops a lot of weight off the front while likely aiding the ride. And for us tall 25"+ frame guys, the steerer is 300mm, so a fork upgrade is truly possible. How much does your 354 weigh now? I would have to think less than 20 lb!
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04-21-19, 11:00 AM
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Truly a great "hot rod" job on that Schwinn Aluminum.
The guys at GCN should use that as an example of the kind of transformation that can be done, with the right vision and patience and judgement.
This page alone shows how diverse the "upgrade" market is. The elegance of the mixte, the tradition of the Bianchi, and the badass of the Aluminum, all without axing the original idea. If ever there was a "saving" bike movement, it's this.
The guys at GCN should use that as an example of the kind of transformation that can be done, with the right vision and patience and judgement.
This page alone shows how diverse the "upgrade" market is. The elegance of the mixte, the tradition of the Bianchi, and the badass of the Aluminum, all without axing the original idea. If ever there was a "saving" bike movement, it's this.
04-21-19, 02:59 PM
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That 354 is really nice.
I have yet to see one other than in pictures, but being a Schwinn fan for nostalgic reasons I keep looking for an early Schwinn aluminum road bike.
I have yet to see one other than in pictures, but being a Schwinn fan for nostalgic reasons I keep looking for an early Schwinn aluminum road bike.
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