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Old 03-26-20, 05:18 AM
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Probably sponsorship.

The wheels are more alike than different. But, if a company is willing to give you cash and free wheels, that helps a team a lot.

That concept is at the heart of sports marketing:

- Athletes/teams need cash and will use whatever doesnít make them slower if paid to do so...even if itís not their preferred product.
- Fans see the athletes use the products and assume that the products made the athletes fast and maybe want to buy them.
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Where in the world can I find the EAI Keirin tool for a sub-$100 price, it's so expensive. But I like it! Dammit! Was saving for a digital Silca pump, then tried the EAI tool at the track a few weeks ago, and I'm totally screwed.
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You could try the knock-off version: Cobra Cog Wrench ? The Blackline
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You could try the knock-off version: Cobra Cog Wrench ? The Blackline
Well, it's not as pretty...but that bottle opener....
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Where in the world can I find the EAI Keirin tool for a sub-$100 price, it's so expensive. But I like it! Dammit! Was saving for a digital Silca pump, then tried the EAI tool at the track a few weeks ago, and I'm totally screwed.
good luck, They run $95 wholesale. If you find one let me know.

I have the Silca digital pump. I love it, hands down, but if I couldn't get it I would just get the Hiro chuck. Its awesome.
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Well, it's not as pretty...but that bottle opener....
If you do get it, let me know how it works. I've been meaning to try one, but keep having other, more important, things come up. And the Shimano Chain Whip I have works pretty well.
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good luck, They run $95 wholesale. If you find one let me know.

I have the Silca digital pump. I love it, hands down, but if I couldn't get it I would just get the Hiro chuck. Its awesome.
Got the Hiro chuck, which is great. Needed for disc wheels, such a PIA without it.

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If you do get it, let me know how it works. I've been meaning to try one, but keep having other, more important, things come up. And the Shimano Chain Whip I have works pretty well.
Looks like they're out of stock on the Cobra. I don't need the bottle opener, I just use my teeth. (I keed...I keed...)
I've ordered rings from Blackline, good guys. Will see what their thoughts are between the two tools.

I dislike all of my chain whips, the levers all seem too short. But I could just be too weak and need to eat more dead animal. (Just not undercooked bats.)

I saw a friend at the track using a chain whip with a long pipe lever, might've been a home job. Worked brilliantly.
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I don't need the bottle opener, I just use my teeth. (I keed...I keed...)
I did that once. Once.


And a little bar clamp does wonders for inflating discs: https://www.lowes.com/pd/Jorgensen-6...amp/1001053746
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I saw a friend at the track using a chain whip with a long pipe lever, might've been a home job. Worked brilliantly.
just get a piece of 1"*1/8" flat stock. 2 feet long should do it. Drill 3 holes in the end just like on a regular chain whip. Attach appropriate bits of chain. Slip a nice thick rubber handlebar grips on the opposite side and you have your Hulk of a chain whip
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I dislike all of my chain whips, the levers all seem too short. But I could just be too weak and need to eat more dead animal.

The abbey track whip is great, 18 inch lever and a very high quality. Might want to wait until it goes on sale though....
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I've found the standard Shimano track chain whip works great. It's not that long but the nice handle allows you to put more pressure down than if it were just a flat bar. And it's compact so it fits in my track sack. It's a tool I'll never have to replace. I like that.
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Originally Posted by topflightpro View Post
I did that once. Once.

And a little bar clamp does wonders for inflating discs: https://www.lowes.com/pd/Jorgensen-6...amp/1001053746
Did you end up looking like a hockey player?

That's brilliant with the clamp. Seems so obvious and simple, which is evidently way over my head, because I wasn't smart enough to figure that out.

Originally Posted by taras0000 View Post
just get a piece of 1"*1/8" flat stock. 2 feet long should do it. Drill 3 holes in the end just like on a regular chain whip. Attach appropriate bits of chain. Slip a nice thick rubber handlebar grips on the opposite side and you have your Hulk of a chain whip
Like it. That sounds like it should have a nickname, like "Mad Max".
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I replaced the narrow chain on a park tool SR 2.2 with a bit of 1*1/8th chain, works really well. Really long handle and the offset seems to help a lot, helps I picked it up cheap used.
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Originally Posted by Baby Puke View Post
I've found the standard Shimano track chain whip works great. It's not that long but the nice handle allows you to put more pressure down than if it were just a flat bar. And it's compact so it fits in my track sack. It's a tool I'll never have to replace. I like that.
And the fact that it also has a lockring tool integrated in is nice. Yeah, it isn't as long as some others, but I haven't yet had any issues not being able to get a cog off.

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Did you end up looking like a hockey player?

That's brilliant with the clamp. Seems so obvious and simple, which is evidently way over my head, because I wasn't smart enough to figure that out.
Fortunately no, but it didn't feel good. I was dumb and in college.

And I wish I could take credit for the clamp, but I learned it from a friend, who learned it from a friend... I did have to modify the clamp a bit to fit better, but that wasn't too difficult. It really does work well though.
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Old 03-29-20, 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Minion1 View Post
I replaced the narrow chain on a park tool SR 2.2 with a bit of 1*1/8th chain, works really well. Really long handle and the offset seems to help a lot, helps I picked it up cheap used.
Easy mod that's very useful. I did it back in 2009 and used it until I gave (or sold) the tool recently. The same chain lasted that long.
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Easy mod that's very useful. I did it back in 2009 and used it until I gave (or sold) the tool recently. The same chain lasted that long.
My favourite thing about it is my knuckles are nowhere near the spokes! My hand is out close to the rim.
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Originally Posted by carleton View Post
Probably sponsorship.

The wheels are more alike than different. But, if a company is willing to give you cash and free wheels, that helps a team a lot.

That concept is at the heart of sports marketing:

- Athletes/teams need cash and will use whatever doesnít make them slower if paid to do so...even if itís not their preferred product.
- Fans see the athletes use the products and assume that the products made the athletes fast and maybe want to buy them.
Campy really isn't big enough for multi nation sponsorship, they are terrific wheels though and the countries with the means buy them. 'We' used them a fair bit as well as a few other's, even the old white ghibli discs were very highly spoken of.

Also Corima spoked > everything (not the secret tri spoke)
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Any tips how to gain resistance on turbo rollers? I know the trick about using magnets but my rollers are Tacx Antares (means plastic not alu). Due to the global lockdown I'm stick only to the rollers and I would really want to do some watts on them.

Tips found randomly:
- magnets (don't work with plastic rollers)
- towel under rollers (too much heat for plastic rollers)
- second belt between front and read rollers (any ideas what material to use to making it slower?)
- super slow tyre with low pressure (should give some watts but not much)
btw. the super slow tyre is only necessary for the rear wheel, right?

Any better options? I would really appreciate!
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Any tips how to gain resistance on turbo rollers? I know the trick about using magnets but my rollers are Tacx Antares (means plastic not alu). Due to the global lockdown I'm stick only to the rollers and I would really want to do some watts on them.

Tips found randomly:
- magnets (don't work with plastic rollers)
- towel under rollers (too much heat for plastic rollers)
- second belt between front and read rollers (any ideas what material to use to making it slower?)
- super slow tyre with low pressure (should give some watts but not much)
btw. the super slow tyre is only necessary for the rear wheel, right?

Any better options? I would really appreciate!

My random thoughts:
1. Make your front wheel into a fan by wrapping duct tape between opposite spokes or add some other aero drag feature
2. Add a weighed drag flap attached to your fork crown and hanging against the front tire
3. If your bike has a two sided hub could you rig up a chain drive to another wheel or hub if you are mechanically minded (I recently threw out a cracked frame that would have been ideal for that purpose).

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Originally Posted by bartek. View Post
Any tips how to gain resistance on turbo rollers? I know the trick about using magnets but my rollers are Tacx Antares (means plastic not alu). Due to the global lockdown I'm stick only to the rollers and I would really want to do some watts on them.

Tips found randomly:
- magnets (don't work with plastic rollers)
- towel under rollers (too much heat for plastic rollers)
- second belt between front and read rollers (any ideas what material to use to making it slower?)
- super slow tyre with low pressure (should give some watts but not much)
btw. the super slow tyre is only necessary for the rear wheel, right?

Any better options? I would really appreciate!
overtighten the bearings? Should work on the tacx. You probably need new bearings sooner though...
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If you have some clincher training wheels use them at a lower pressure. It will be really not fun. Weirdly just what the road world thinks as the fastest set up is just terrible on rollers.
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If you have some clincher training wheels use them at a lower pressure. It will be really not fun. Weirdly just what the road world thinks as the fastest set up is just terrible on rollers.
Agree with this, if you put a turbo trainer tyre on the rear wheel itís even less fun!
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Old 04-10-20, 09:57 AM
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Maybe you could get a Kreitler Killer Kool Headwind Fan to work with your Tacx rollers... there's a used one on ebay for $125...
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If you have some clincher training wheels use them at a lower pressure. It will be really not fun. Weirdly just what the road world thinks as the fastest set up is just terrible on rollers.
Can confirm. Was fitting a new bar and stem set up and testing them on the rollers, had 60psi in the tires/tubes I had on the bike at the time, was very tough trying to even spin, couldn't even hold 95rpm. Totally not enjoyable.
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Hi All,

I was in the market for a 3t track bar. Although I read somewhere that production will soon cease with this design they still seem to be readily available. However, some of the sites selling them I noticed that the handlebars pictured do not have the logo on the top of the bar. Instead its just a plain dull coat finish. I don't care about the aesthetics of the handlebar, my interest is just the dimensions. My question is, do some 3T handlebars come with this design in addition to the ones that I've seen previously. My concern is that the ones advertised are not the real deal, or a copy.

Thanks for any feedback
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