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N-3, N+1, Ugh...
Help me. I'm thinking about selling three bikes to buy one as a replacement for commuting.
Here's the logic:
My wife and I are relocating to within 8 miles of my work. Yay! I can now scoot easily in by bike most days.
The new house has a smaller garage and we have 10 bikes. Six are mine. Here's the problem.
I'm guessing that I'd want to commute on a disc-equipped road bike, which I don't have. Since I'll be riding more frequently for work, I'll not have the same need for recreational "variety" in my bikes. You see where I'm going...
I've decided to sell the carbon racer, the '82 Team, and the '77 S-10S to buy a cyclocross bike with disc brakes. It'll be my main commuter, with fenders and wider tires, rack, custom light mount, etc.
The benefits are obvious - less bikes to handle in the move, less storage problems in the new house, and a bike that is well suited to daily riding duties here.
I should be happy about this. Why am I sad?
Here's the logic:
My wife and I are relocating to within 8 miles of my work. Yay! I can now scoot easily in by bike most days.
The new house has a smaller garage and we have 10 bikes. Six are mine. Here's the problem.
I'm guessing that I'd want to commute on a disc-equipped road bike, which I don't have. Since I'll be riding more frequently for work, I'll not have the same need for recreational "variety" in my bikes. You see where I'm going...
I've decided to sell the carbon racer, the '82 Team, and the '77 S-10S to buy a cyclocross bike with disc brakes. It'll be my main commuter, with fenders and wider tires, rack, custom light mount, etc.
The benefits are obvious - less bikes to handle in the move, less storage problems in the new house, and a bike that is well suited to daily riding duties here.
I should be happy about this. Why am I sad?
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Sounds to me like you're throwing money at a problem that may not exist. Why not just put a rack and fenders on your S10S and call it good?
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+1, this is a great opportunity to have some fun with an existing bike, you've identified a need, now fix it with bikes you have on hand. Or look on CL for a bike close to what you want and maybe N-1, N+1 to accomplish, sounds a little drastic. doesn't the new house have a basement? i got real creative in my basement in order to store my stuff. my 9 bikes, 2 wife, 1 son, and 4 more in the garage.
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Well, I'm all for thinning the herd. It's a nuisance to have too many bikes around. But I would not sell a bike I like while planning to buy a bike I might like. Or might not like.
The Cyclocross bike you have in mind... it can take a rack and fenders?
The Cyclocross bike you have in mind... it can take a rack and fenders?
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If you just want to get a new bike, I am all for that too!
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My S-10S already has a rack and fenders. It could work as a commuter, no question. I only run Pasela 1 1/8" on it right now.
I'm more concerned about he quantity of bikes, and whether or not I really need so many bikes any more. If I'm commuting regularly, I'll have my fill of riding, and won't want to jump on a carbon racer to blaze away on a Saturday. Just a hunch.
For Rudi's question, I don't have a particular bike in mind. I wouldn't shop before I had the cash in hand to purchase, hence the immediate concern about whether to start selling bikes. My wife would support me either way, if that were a question.
I don't really want any new bike, I'm just trying to make a practical overall plan for how to handle this life change.
I'm more concerned about he quantity of bikes, and whether or not I really need so many bikes any more. If I'm commuting regularly, I'll have my fill of riding, and won't want to jump on a carbon racer to blaze away on a Saturday. Just a hunch.
For Rudi's question, I don't have a particular bike in mind. I wouldn't shop before I had the cash in hand to purchase, hence the immediate concern about whether to start selling bikes. My wife would support me either way, if that were a question.
I don't really want any new bike, I'm just trying to make a practical overall plan for how to handle this life change.
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Don't get me wrong, I think a disc-equipped modern ride has some benefits for commuting. Very reliable, great braking in rain etc. A Surly Straggler would be a good commute candidate with lots of braze-ons, not-to-pricey, clearance for miles.
But unless you really want a new bike I don't see a point.* I personally find having a rotation of bikes to ride to work a nice motivator to keep on riding (but my commute is a bit shorter at only 5 miles each way.) You could ride the Saratoga on Monday and leave extra clothes at work, ride racier bikes a day or two, etc etc.
* Unless space is really an issue. But I'm a guy sharing a 1 bedroom with a SO with half a basement to store my (have to count...Trek 1, Trek 2, Schwinn, Diamondback, Raleigh, Carlton, Miyata...) 7 bikes plus her 2.
But unless you really want a new bike I don't see a point.* I personally find having a rotation of bikes to ride to work a nice motivator to keep on riding (but my commute is a bit shorter at only 5 miles each way.) You could ride the Saratoga on Monday and leave extra clothes at work, ride racier bikes a day or two, etc etc.
* Unless space is really an issue. But I'm a guy sharing a 1 bedroom with a SO with half a basement to store my (have to count...Trek 1, Trek 2, Schwinn, Diamondback, Raleigh, Carlton, Miyata...) 7 bikes plus her 2.
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I wouldn't do anything just yet. You might find that you don't like the grind of everyday commuting and really want to be able to blast away some Saturdays and miss your CF bike. I'd say get the S10S set up how you want it for commuting and give that a go for a while before making any changes.
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I too rotate bikes. My commute is almost 11 miles. I push every one. When I need to take clothes in or it might rain, I use my RockHopper that has a rack and fenders. The rest of the time I will ride the Pinarello. At some point, I expect to settle on a Trek 610 I am working on. The RockHopper will get the Marzocchi fork with XT hub hanging on the wall with the BB7 and loose the fenders, maybe the rack. The Pin will join the 'nago as week end drivers.
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My S-10S already has a rack and fenders. It could work as a commuter, no question. I only run Pasela 1 1/8" on it right now.
I'm more concerned about he quantity of bikes, and whether or not I really need so many bikes any more. If I'm commuting regularly, I'll have my fill of riding, and won't want to jump on a carbon racer to blaze away on a Saturday. Just a hunch.
For Rudi's question, I don't have a particular bike in mind. I wouldn't shop before I had the cash in hand to purchase, hence the immediate concern about whether to start selling bikes. My wife would support me either way, if that were a question.
I don't really want any new bike, I'm just trying to make a practical overall plan for how to handle this life change.
I'm more concerned about he quantity of bikes, and whether or not I really need so many bikes any more. If I'm commuting regularly, I'll have my fill of riding, and won't want to jump on a carbon racer to blaze away on a Saturday. Just a hunch.
For Rudi's question, I don't have a particular bike in mind. I wouldn't shop before I had the cash in hand to purchase, hence the immediate concern about whether to start selling bikes. My wife would support me either way, if that were a question.
I don't really want any new bike, I'm just trying to make a practical overall plan for how to handle this life change.
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I have a bike repair business as a side to make some extra cash, I do plenty of wrenching. I can tell you I hate working on discs, sometimes they are jus so finicky. Upgrade your current brakes to good calipers if needed, and buy good brake pads like kool stop. They cost a little more but give good stopping even in wet conditions.
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You asked if you need these bikes. Few people truly need more than one. But many of us are lucky to be able to afford more than one without much sacrifice, so it's not a bad idea to have a few. @fender1 expresses well the problem of having too many. Maybe six are too many for you, but if you are sentimentally attached to a bike, don't be hasty to get rid of it. I was thinking maybe I should get rid of my McLean recently. Sunday, I took a 50 mile ride on it and realized that it is one of the closest-to-perfect bikes I own as well as offering a lot of sentimental memories.
My wife and I justify having too many bikes by calling some of them guest bikes. It's not often that we loan a bike to a guest, but it's nice that we can do it. Another benefit is that if one has a flat tire or other problem, we can just jump on the next one, and the urgency to repair is reduced.
My wife and I justify having too many bikes by calling some of them guest bikes. It's not often that we loan a bike to a guest, but it's nice that we can do it. Another benefit is that if one has a flat tire or other problem, we can just jump on the next one, and the urgency to repair is reduced.
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I am 1000% behind you. Sell, sell, sell!
Order a Wraith Paycheck disc, and build it for commuting.
In fact, I believe Adam & Co. are doing the building now, as well.
I have seen a couple with fenders and racks.
Get a spare set of wheels for riding like you did with us in NJ.
The same bike can easily do it all.
You may end up getting rid of a fourth.
Order a Wraith Paycheck disc, and build it for commuting.
In fact, I believe Adam & Co. are doing the building now, as well.
I have seen a couple with fenders and racks.
Get a spare set of wheels for riding like you did with us in NJ.
The same bike can easily do it all.
You may end up getting rid of a fourth.
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Congratulations on getting your wife to give up three of her bikes for you!
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A couple random observations:
You know the bikes you have, and like them. Getting rid of them is more tangible than obtaining a new bike that you may or may not like as much. Tough to know as you haven't owned it for a while and ridden it a bunch.
In my experience, the idea of getting rid of a bike is often harder to deal with than actually letting it go. It gets easier to handle when you see it go to a new owner who is totally stoked to get it.
Me, I would probably commute on something you have, maybe sell one or two but not the go fast bike, as you might still feel the urge. After a year of commuting you can re-assess. ymmv
You know the bikes you have, and like them. Getting rid of them is more tangible than obtaining a new bike that you may or may not like as much. Tough to know as you haven't owned it for a while and ridden it a bunch.
In my experience, the idea of getting rid of a bike is often harder to deal with than actually letting it go. It gets easier to handle when you see it go to a new owner who is totally stoked to get it.
Me, I would probably commute on something you have, maybe sell one or two but not the go fast bike, as you might still feel the urge. After a year of commuting you can re-assess. ymmv
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I really appreciate all of the thoughts you guys have given. I needed someone against whom to bounce this idea before I do something that I'll regret. I think that I will stick with the S-10S for now, and see how it does in really yucky weather (it has Kool Stop continentals on the front centerpulls).
If we can get our 25 year old daughter to move out as part of this relocation, two of the bikes will go. (;
If we can get our 25 year old daughter to move out as part of this relocation, two of the bikes will go. (;
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Plus, you'll gain an extra room to put all your bikes in.
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The S-10S is a perfect commuter bike. It's not too heavy; its handling is sure and predictable; it has room for racks, fenders, and whatever else you need.
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You can ride just about any kind of bike eight miles. On fair weather days, you can pack light and ride an un-be-fendered bike.
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My wife and I justify having too many bikes by calling some of them guest bikes. It's not often that we loan a bike to a guest, but it's nice that we can do it. Another benefit is that if one has a flat tire or other problem, we can just jump on the next one, and the urgency to repair is reduced.
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Lol @RobbieTunes.
But I'd probably just keep the S10S a commuter, too. And ditch the carbon, if I felt bad about having too many bikes I'm not riding.
And your wife only has four bikes to your six? She needs to up her game
But I'd probably just keep the S10S a commuter, too. And ditch the carbon, if I felt bad about having too many bikes I'm not riding.
And your wife only has four bikes to your six? She needs to up her game
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I understand your dilemma. I tend to get "connected" to a particular bike, not because of the bike itself, but because of the work & thought I put into it. The thought of selling makes me feel sad, but honestly once sold I don't even think about it any more. I'm down to 3 mixtes & a 3 speed. I have more space and am not anguishing because one of many bikes is not being ridden.
I've saved enough for a Surly Straggler with discs & 650b wheels. Just waiting until early July to see what next year's color will be.
My suggestion is to sell 2 of the 3 you mentioned, keep one you like best that could meet your needs, try the ride for awhile on that bike. Then decide whether you need or want another bike. It's alright to want a bike. We can only ride one bike at a time and variety is a nice "problem" to have. If you want disc brakes then try them. If you decide against....you know the drill.
I've saved enough for a Surly Straggler with discs & 650b wheels. Just waiting until early July to see what next year's color will be.
My suggestion is to sell 2 of the 3 you mentioned, keep one you like best that could meet your needs, try the ride for awhile on that bike. Then decide whether you need or want another bike. It's alright to want a bike. We can only ride one bike at a time and variety is a nice "problem" to have. If you want disc brakes then try them. If you decide against....you know the drill.
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Phil, I also think that you should sell the carbon racer and the '82 Team, keeping the S10-S for commuting duties, at least initially. If you find that S10-S isn't up to the task, then you might consider other options. Of course, I fully embrace N + 1 as a lifestyle, so keeping them all and getting more is usually my approach.
My main commuter for the last couple of years has been a '71 Raleigh Int'l outfitted with fenders, dyno hub and lights, rear rack, front basket. I would put studded tires on it in the winter. Then, early this winter, after first outfitting it with those tires, and realizing that clearance wasn't great and that I was constantly having to adjust fenders and that I was beating the crap out of this fine vintage bike, I decided to go in another direction. I bought a steel TIG-welded Nashbar touring frame ($80 on sale!), a Soma fork, V-brakes, swapped over a bunch of things from the Raleigh, and now that's my primary commuter. It's not going to win any beauty contests, but it rides really well, the brakes work great, I have clearance for studded tires with fenders in the deep winter, 700 x 38mm tires the rest of the year, and I've returned the '71 Int'l to road duty.
My main commuter for the last couple of years has been a '71 Raleigh Int'l outfitted with fenders, dyno hub and lights, rear rack, front basket. I would put studded tires on it in the winter. Then, early this winter, after first outfitting it with those tires, and realizing that clearance wasn't great and that I was constantly having to adjust fenders and that I was beating the crap out of this fine vintage bike, I decided to go in another direction. I bought a steel TIG-welded Nashbar touring frame ($80 on sale!), a Soma fork, V-brakes, swapped over a bunch of things from the Raleigh, and now that's my primary commuter. It's not going to win any beauty contests, but it rides really well, the brakes work great, I have clearance for studded tires with fenders in the deep winter, 700 x 38mm tires the rest of the year, and I've returned the '71 Int'l to road duty.