Ride-sharing + driver-sharing?
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The app would obviously keep track of where the vehicle is. Drivers would have to leave the car someplace authorized by the network if there was no other driver to take it over. If nothing else, the person who wants to get up the next morning to use it would meet the last driver of the evening somewhere to pick up the car.
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Or the ride-share network could fund/subsidize it, i.e. the way Amazon was subsidizing delivery vans for their contractors.
The app would obviously keep track of where the vehicle is. Drivers would have to leave the car someplace authorized by the network if there was no other driver to take it over. If nothing else, the person who wants to get up the next morning to use it would meet the last driver of the evening somewhere to pick up the car.
The app would obviously keep track of where the vehicle is. Drivers would have to leave the car someplace authorized by the network if there was no other driver to take it over. If nothing else, the person who wants to get up the next morning to use it would meet the last driver of the evening somewhere to pick up the car.
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Maybe if Opra gave them a free car and they were all on the title? But then they wouldn't be car free by the forum rules. Ok scratcch that idea.
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Or the ride-share network could fund/subsidize it, i.e. the way Amazon was subsidizing delivery vans for their contractors.
The app would obviously keep track of where the vehicle is. Drivers would have to leave the car someplace authorized by the network if there was no other driver to take it over. If nothing else, the person who wants to get up the next morning to use it would meet the last driver of the evening somewhere to pick up the car.
The app would obviously keep track of where the vehicle is. Drivers would have to leave the car someplace authorized by the network if there was no other driver to take it over. If nothing else, the person who wants to get up the next morning to use it would meet the last driver of the evening somewhere to pick up the car.
So ...
8 am - I use my car to get to university. On the way I pick up another student also going to university who pays me nothing. I park at the university (parking fees).
9 am - Someone picks up my car and drives into north Hobart.
10 am - I don't have a car because it is in north Hobart, so I have to walk to work.
5 pm - I still don't have a car because it's out in Sorell, so I have to take the bus home.
The car travels around Hobart and greater Hobart throughout the day and finally ends up in New Norfolk late in the evening.
9 pm - I realise that I'm going to need to get to the university early.
Now I've got a couple choices:
A) I can take the early bus to the university and try to track down my car later in the day if I've got time ... but I do have work and I've got an assignment coming due which I need to work on in the evening. Maybe someone will drive it into my vicinity but if not, I'll just walk or take the bus.
B) Rather than doing my homework, I use a combination of bus and taxi to travel the 50 km out to New Norfolk to get my car and drive home ... arriving home shortly before midnight. I realise that my fuel tank is now empty because people have been using my car all day, and I've got to get up even earlier so that I can swing by a service station on the way to university. I squeeze an hour of homework in before collapsing into bed exhausted knowing I'd better get some sleep because I need to be up at 6:30 am in order to fork over $80 to fill my car with fuel I'll hardly use.
And another day. And another day.
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9 am - Someone picks up my car and drives into north Hobart.
10 am - I don't have a car because it is in north Hobart, so I have to walk to work.
5 pm - I still don't have a car because it's out in Sorell, so I have to take the bus home.
The car travels around Hobart and greater Hobart throughout the day and finally ends up in New Norfolk late in the evening.
9 pm - I realise that I'm going to need to get to the university early.
Now I've got a couple choices:
A) I can take the early bus to the university and try to track down my car later in the day if I've got time ... but I do have work and I've got an assignment coming due which I need to work on in the evening. Maybe someone will drive it into my vicinity but if not, I'll just walk or take the bus.
B) Rather than doing my homework, I use a combination of bus and taxi to travel the 50 km out to New Norfolk to get my car and drive home ... arriving home shortly before midnight. I realise that my fuel tank is now empty because people have been using my car all day, and I've got to get up even earlier so that I can swing by a service station on the way to university. I squeeze an hour of homework in before collapsing into bed exhausted knowing I'd better get some sleep because I need to be up at 6:30 am in order to fork over $80 to fill my car with fuel I'll hardly use.
And another day. And another day.
9 pm - I realise that I'm going to need to get to the university early.
Now I've got a couple choices:
A) I can take the early bus to the university and try to track down my car later in the day if I've got time ... but I do have work and I've got an assignment coming due which I need to work on in the evening. Maybe someone will drive it into my vicinity but if not, I'll just walk or take the bus.
B) Rather than doing my homework, I use a combination of bus and taxi to travel the 50 km out to New Norfolk to get my car and drive home ... arriving home shortly before midnight. I realise that my fuel tank is now empty because people have been using my car all day, and I've got to get up even earlier so that I can swing by a service station on the way to university. I squeeze an hour of homework in before collapsing into bed exhausted knowing I'd better get some sleep because I need to be up at 6:30 am in order to fork over $80 to fill my car with fuel I'll hardly use.
And another day. And another day.
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Or you could hail a ride-drive share ride, and your car or some other car might show up. There might also be a way to let the system know you want your car back at 5pm, so the system favors rides/drives that work your car back in your direction throughout the day.
You would not be good at programming the ride/drive-share routing app.
You would not be good at programming the ride/drive-share routing app.
It could be my scenario above or it could be a family transporting kids to various locations.
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We had car2go here for awhile. On demand usage rental cars that used an app to find and drive the car, drop it off wherever you want in the operational area when done. The hourly rate was about $15 an hour.
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So explain what should happen if this ride/drive-share routing app did exist in a situation where a person travels to more than one location and lives a full and busy life.
It could be my scenario above or it could be a family transporting kids to various locations.
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The "app" you are so fixated on does not waive the laws of physics or economics. Nor solve all the problems you think.
We had car2go here for awhile. On demand usage rental cars that used an app to find and drive the car, drop it off wherever you want in the operational area when done. The hourly rate was about $15 an hour.
We had car2go here for awhile. On demand usage rental cars that used an app to find and drive the car, drop it off wherever you want in the operational area when done. The hourly rate was about $15 an hour.
If sufficient numbers of users and sharing vehicles/rides, then an algorithm should be able to coordinate the various user-destinations into braided trips, especially if riders and passengers can alternate and take over the driving when someone wants to exit the vehicle.
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You are just one more of the negative nancys that swoop in to poohpooh ideas that could undermine the one-car-per-person economic model for transportation economics.
If sufficient numbers of users and sharing vehicles/rides, then an algorithm should be able to coordinate the various user-destinations into braided trips, especially if riders and passengers can alternate and take over the driving when someone wants to exit the vehicle.
If sufficient numbers of users and sharing vehicles/rides, then an algorithm should be able to coordinate the various user-destinations into braided trips, especially if riders and passengers can alternate and take over the driving when someone wants to exit the vehicle.
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I also understand that currently, there is no way for a driver to use his or her own vehicle to go to a destination without making his or her vehicle unavailable for further rides.
I also understand there are car-sharing platforms and rental car platforms that allow drivers to share vehicles
What is missing from the market is a platform that combines ride-sharing with driver/car-sharing within the same integrated platform.
If Uber doesn't fill that gap, someone else will eventually. There is just no reason to block IT and smartphone technology from facilitating forms of transportation sharing that hold immense potential to reduce congestion by overcoming limitations of current public transit systems.
The only reason these things are having trouble getting off the ground is because of aggressive reactions in favor of the status quo because of fears that change could have negative economic effects.
How long can such reactionary forces suppress technological possibilities? Forever? If so, is that the kind of world you want to live in?
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I understand that ride-share platforms exist and that they coordinate rides using algorithms that match ride-seekers with potential ride-givers.
I also understand that currently, there is no way for a driver to use his or her own vehicle to go to a destination without making his or her vehicle unavailable for further rides.
I also understand there are car-sharing platforms and rental car platforms that allow drivers to share vehicles
What is missing from the market is a platform that combines ride-sharing with driver/car-sharing within the same integrated platform.
If Uber doesn't fill that gap, someone else will eventually. There is just no reason to block IT and smartphone technology from facilitating forms of transportation sharing that hold immense potential to reduce congestion by overcoming limitations of current public transit systems.
The only reason these things are having trouble getting off the ground is because of aggressive reactions in favor of the status quo because of fears that change could have negative economic effects.
How long can such reactionary forces suppress technological possibilities? Forever? If so, is that the kind of world you want to live in?
I also understand that currently, there is no way for a driver to use his or her own vehicle to go to a destination without making his or her vehicle unavailable for further rides.
I also understand there are car-sharing platforms and rental car platforms that allow drivers to share vehicles
What is missing from the market is a platform that combines ride-sharing with driver/car-sharing within the same integrated platform.
If Uber doesn't fill that gap, someone else will eventually. There is just no reason to block IT and smartphone technology from facilitating forms of transportation sharing that hold immense potential to reduce congestion by overcoming limitations of current public transit systems.
The only reason these things are having trouble getting off the ground is because of aggressive reactions in favor of the status quo because of fears that change could have negative economic effects.
How long can such reactionary forces suppress technological possibilities? Forever? If so, is that the kind of world you want to live in?
2. incorrect
3. yet you don't seem understand how any of this works
4, there has to be a viable market for it, there isn't one and even Uber is failing at an old model that does work when done correctly
5. the results of road building and traffic in the US and other nation indicates congestion won't change at all
6. ya, losing $$ tends to keep things from happening, economics is funny that way
7. Longer than you can learn to quit being so repetitive and verbose. My world? It doesn't matter.
Best way to learn what I am talking about is go drive for Uber or Lyft for a week or two. None of it works the way you assume or think.
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1. No, no algorithm needed, they are sent out to whoever is in the area and responds to the request for service. This has been explained to you before. All you get is a pick up point, no destination most of the time and that is subject to change. The billing company will use algorithms for billing sometimes but not dispatching. It could be done with a destination included but it really doesn't help much.
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Uber or Lyft would be similar to shopping for a single item on eBay. You purchase the only one and the software takes that item off the market.
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It's not undoable, and it would reduce costs and allow more passengers to ride if they were also willing to take over the driving when necessary.
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Well, the system would have to be updated to keep track of destinations of multiple ride/drivers in order to efficiently pair drivers with passengers who are willing to take over driving after they get out at their destination.
It's not undoable, and it would reduce costs and allow more passengers to ride if they were also willing to take over the driving when necessary.
It's not undoable, and it would reduce costs and allow more passengers to ride if they were also willing to take over the driving when necessary.
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Uber is currently filtering out bad drivers and riders, so the bad service problem will be dealt with as the sabotage that it is.
As for eliminating car ownership, why would that be a bad thing? Most people don't really own their cars anyway. They just make monthly payments on them until they trade them in.
If Uber or some other ride-share platform could get you a lower monthly payment, why would that be a bad thing?
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You are talking about some external level. I thought you meant there was some reason within the share platform/system that it wouldn't work.
Uber is currently filtering out bad drivers and riders, so the bad service problem will be dealt with as the sabotage that it is.
As for eliminating car ownership, why would that be a bad thing? Most people don't really own their cars anyway. They just make monthly payments on them until they trade them in.
If Uber or some other ride-share platform could get you a lower monthly payment, why would that be a bad thing?
Uber is currently filtering out bad drivers and riders, so the bad service problem will be dealt with as the sabotage that it is.
As for eliminating car ownership, why would that be a bad thing? Most people don't really own their cars anyway. They just make monthly payments on them until they trade them in.
If Uber or some other ride-share platform could get you a lower monthly payment, why would that be a bad thing?
Human nature is a factor you don't seem to grok.
People like freedom. Speak for yourself but I like my vehicle and of the 53 of them I have owned 51 were bought and paid for with cash.
Uber is already losing so much $$ they will likely fail. They aren't something to be emulated IMO. Last thing I would want is them to be a creditor either.
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From a game theory standpoint the idea is a loser platform is irrelevant.
Human nature is a factor you don't seem to grok.
People like freedom. Speak for yourself but I like my vehicle and of the 53 of them I have owned 51 were bought and paid for with cash.
Uber is already losing so much $$ they will likely fail. They aren't something to be emulated IMO. Last thing I would want is them to be a creditor either.
Human nature is a factor you don't seem to grok.
People like freedom. Speak for yourself but I like my vehicle and of the 53 of them I have owned 51 were bought and paid for with cash.
Uber is already losing so much $$ they will likely fail. They aren't something to be emulated IMO. Last thing I would want is them to be a creditor either.
Thank you for confirming you are just another person who wants to eliminate choice and/or prevent it from growing.
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Thank you for explaining your POV, as I now can see that everything negative you say is just biased by your overall desire to see ride-sharing fail to preserve what you see as a better standard of living that comes with everyone being forced to drive their own cars.
Thank you for confirming you are just another person who wants to eliminate choice and/or prevent it from growing.
Thank you for confirming you are just another person who wants to eliminate choice and/or prevent it from growing.
Per this article, the next step will be self driving cars, not car"share" with a human driver.
https://apnews.com/9e2ecdd44fde4dce96add343ec02decf
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Thank you for explaining your POV, as I now can see that everything negative you say is just biased by your overall desire to see ride-sharing fail to preserve what you see as a better standard of living that comes with everyone being forced to drive their own cars.
Thank you for confirming you are just another person who wants to eliminate choice and/or prevent it from growing.
Thank you for confirming you are just another person who wants to eliminate choice and/or prevent it from growing.