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Old 09-20-19, 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by steelbikeguy
holy cow...

Steve in Peoria
(and no, the Montgomery Wards bike might become vintage, but it will never be a classic, IMHO)
Sigh... there may not be a Ward's in any future acquisition but if there's anything like my 1966 Sears (Steyr of Austria), I'll ride it.

I love this bike, and not because it was free... all original including the air in the Semperit tubes and tires but it cruises the 'hood in style. For the classic bike community, I would compare it to a barn find 1966 poppy red Mustang ragtop, with 3 speed trans.

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Old 09-20-19, 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by crank_addict
Sigh... there may not be a Ward's in any future acquisition but if there's anything like my 1966 Sears (Steyr of Austria), I'll ride it.

I love this bike, and not because it was free... all original including the air in the Semperit tubes and tires but it cruises the 'hood in style. For the classic bike community, I would compare it to a barn find 1966 poppy red Mustang ragtop, with 3 speed trans.

Long live Sears!





Style does weigh heavily when deciding if a design can be considered "classic", and my personal taste says that box lining is definitely a step in that direction!
Matching fenders, the use of a consistent white trim, and that sexy speedometer all contribute to making it a classic. Hard not to like it!

Plus.. the 3 speed "racer" was my first exposure to a bike faster than the usual kids bike. It definitely has a place in my heart.

and in defense of my chunky Montgomery Wards 10 speed, it was very tolerant of the usual mistakes made by a kid with his first derailleur bike. That steel Shimano Eagle derailleur was tough! The steel rims and crappy Cherry centerpull brakes did motivate me to move on to something a bit more advanced, though.

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Originally Posted by thinktubes
I think this pretty much sums up the thread,
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Originally Posted by bikemig
I think this pretty much sums up the thread,
I think to be an eroica sanctioned facility, it must have an elegant side lever.

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I think it was unkind to chase @wphamilton away. And pointless.
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Old 09-20-19, 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by noglider
I think it was unkind to chase @wphamilton away. And pointless.
Leave it be, it's not worth any concern.
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Old 09-20-19, 08:29 PM
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Originally Posted by noglider
I think it was unkind to chase @wphamilton away. And pointless.
Senior members know the C&V rules - #1 = pics or it didn't happen,
He didn't provide any digital images.
Didn't ask for visual examples of 'old' bikes for comparison.

a serious flaw, if not flagrant violation!
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And no one can claim we don't readily accept black sheep into the fold - gladly and enthusiastically = the Cheapo Build and Ride thread, avidly pursued by many on multiple occasions. No snobs on this board.
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Old 09-20-19, 10:39 PM
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Originally Posted by noglider
I think it was unkind to chase @wphamilton away. And pointless.
Agreed, let's try to get along...Gugie thought a pickup would be warranted in this thread, I was going to post a pic of my fiberglass car but since it isn't steel I wondered if it would pass muster..or considered classic....Grace is good and I think that we are all trying to receive some info that we may be lacking.
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Originally Posted by Minion1
Thanks, I'll get some pics up so I don't just kick up a fuss then slope off into the sunset.

I don't spend enough time in the road forum compared to this one, but from what I've seen there if your bike isn't five minutes old it's obsolete and your exploding bike will cause great distress. I just get the feeling an 8/9/10 speed 'rule bending' thread might be appreciated?
Maybe we should flood them with pics of ancient road bikes that actually ride good and are some other color other than flat black....Na then they might run the price up on the bikes we like and Craig's list will be flooded with plastic fantastic bikes. Some of my most enjoyable moments on group rides involve riding past 30 year old skin suit clad string beans pushing their 11-23 cassette geared bikes up a 10% grade on my old steel bike. My secret weapon is a 11-28 with a triple. Some of them are catching on and lots of bikes now come with real world gears that work on hills and flats. I can't catch them
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Originally Posted by Classtime
I wonder what my 12 year old classic Denali that has been artfully displayed in my den for all of its 12 years is worth?
Likely not more than 20% of what you paid, if it works.
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Originally Posted by noglider
"Old" is a pejorative word?
Being 66 yo, I take your point!!!!

I was thinking, and I think I indicated, words more like "toasted," "rust-bucket," "groaty colorless pile of rusty sticks," and ... well, we could have a contest about that!
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Originally Posted by Wildwood
Senior members know the C&V rules - #1 = pics or it didn't happen,
He didn't provide any digital images.
Didn't ask for visual examples of 'old' bikes for comparison.

a serious flaw, if not flagrant violation!
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And no one can claim we don't readily accept black sheep into the fold - gladly and enthusiastically = the Cheapo Build and Ride thread, avidly pursued by many on multiple occasions. No snobs on this board.
Well, WP is a long-timer on BF if not in C&V.

And pictures are NOT a rule, they are your want.

Bicycles are about freedom, not regimentation.

Fun is fun, but when someone reasonable gets disgusted and dismisses the group, we have gone too far.
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OP claimed GMC Denali.
If he doesn’t own one = Total Troll Thread
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You could probably start dumping all these type of threads here like they do on the 'Helmet' thread. You look at Kent's GMC model and it is pretty much a cheaper made version of Giant's OCR...What's that tell you?
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When a person starts a total troll thread, then pops up repeatedly to defend a position that has no value (10yo bike as Vintage, BSO sold at toy stores as Classic) = they have gone too far. Then feigns being marginalized, for sympathy = they deserve informed rebuttal.

Fact = 10yo GMC Denali is not vintage or classic by ANY standard.
Facts matter.
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Time to close this thread. It might have had potential starting but the last couple pages didn’t add anything.
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