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Old 07-17-13, 10:55 AM
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It's not about the bike. Wait a minute...yes, it is.

More evidence for Rule #4.

"What advantages do highly sophisticated racing machines give the cycling pros? To find out, we pit a Guardian journalist on a £6,000 Tour de France bicycle against elite national-level rider Iain Cook on a variety of less advanced machines, including a Dutch shopping bike and a London hire bike. Who will win? Peter Walker reports from Herne Hill Velodrome in south London."

https://www.guardian.co.uk/environmen...n-v-bike-video
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Old 07-17-13, 11:22 AM
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Amusing... they missed out - they should have had him run on the track pushing a wheelbarrow.
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Old 07-17-13, 11:29 AM
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This one is much better:

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Old 07-17-13, 11:36 AM
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That was amusing watching Iain Cook struggle with those heavy bikes.
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That dude was definitely on PEDs.
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Old 07-17-13, 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by DiabloScott
This one is much better:

it was like they werent even speaking english.
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Old 07-17-13, 12:20 PM
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lol that was pretty cool. Was interesting that the reporter's 2nd go around, vs. the Dutch bike, was something like 6 or 7 seconds slower than his 1st or 3rd races. And that 1st race I was like "ah come on, get your cadence up!!"

Very interesting test indeed, though. They should have shown Iain on the BMC bike going 'round just to see what he's capable of.
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Old 07-17-13, 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by DiabloScott
This one is much better:

so uh... what was that about?
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Interesting for me would have been seeing Iain Cook do 2 lap trials on a top of line, mid, and entry level road bike all set for him.

But if they did stuff like that we might run out of stuff to talk about.
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This one is also funny, 2001 the Rabo team is checking out the hill climb before the race and they come by a Dutch mailman on a bicycle:

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Originally Posted by rousseau
More evidence for Rule #4.

"What advantages do highly sophisticated racing machines give the cycling pros? To find out, we pit a Guardian journalist on a £6,000 Tour de France bicycle against elite national-level rider Iain Cook on a variety of less advanced machines, including a Dutch shopping bike and a London hire bike. Who will win? Peter Walker reports from Herne Hill Velodrome in south London."

https://www.guardian.co.uk/environmen...n-v-bike-video
Most of us aren't and don't care to be cycling pros. Most of us have real jobs, they're how we paid for our bikes. There's a sub-forum on this site for that, and the 41 isn't it. This is the recreational road riding forum, not the racing one.

It's about riding, feeling the wind on your face, being outdoors, having fun.
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Originally Posted by Seattle Forrest
Most of us aren't and don't care to be cycling pros. Most of us have real jobs, they're how we paid for our bikes. There's a sub-forum on this site for that, and the 41 isn't it. This is the recreational road riding forum, not the racing one.

It's about riding, feeling the wind on your face, being outdoors, having fun.
But uh, we still like to see how a pro on a heavy bike can get on against a "regular joe" on a racing bike. At least I think it's interesting. I have no problem with this in the 41.
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But the journalist's bike weighed 6,000 pounds and the pro's weighed 250 pounds...
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Originally Posted by Seattle Forrest
....It's about looking good while riding, feeling the wind on your face, being outdoors, having fun.
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Seriously though, he's riding that BMC in the small ring all the way around the velodrome? Disgraceful
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Originally Posted by PatrickGSR94
so uh... what was that about?
The guy is Eddy van Hooydonck, ex pro of some reknown (twice Ronde champion, invented bib knickers, retired when EPO appeared)
The woman is Leontien van Moorsel - ex pro of some reknown (on a good day could whoopass on Jeannie Longo). Leontien was kind of famous for wearing makeup during bike races - bright lipstick et al.

Anyway this is from a Dutch reality show where Leontien travels around challenging herself in other sports like bocce ball and water skiing... and showing off her fine figure and flirting with old men.
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It looks like in the first race/first video Cook did that in 39.5 kph. Pretty fast for that bike.
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Originally Posted by PatrickGSR94
so uh... what was that about?
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I feel a lot better now about my lack of performance when riding on the road down to the trail now on my FSR. Thanks.
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Originally Posted by DiabloScott
The woman is Leontien van Moorsel - ex pro of some reknown .

9 world championship jerseys and 2 Tour Feminin.

Not too shabby. Hell I'd wear Lipstick if I could ride like that.
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Originally Posted by DaveWC
It looks like in the first race/first video Cook did that in 39.5 kph. Pretty fast for that bike.
and he wasn't even really trying.

He rode it in a position that people would typically ride a hybrid.

If he grabs the handlebars right at the stem, and does a deep tuck with bent elbows, I'm sure he could be faster.
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Originally Posted by merlinextraligh
9 world championship jerseys and 2 Tour Feminin.

Not too shabby. Hell I'd wear Lipstick if I could ride like that.
I was thinking "she does seem to have no problem riding up De Muur with such a bike".
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I don't think anyone's ever claimed that bike type is irrelevant, just that power overcomes the marginal difference between a $700 Trek and that BMC.
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Originally Posted by Bah Humbug
I don't think anyone's ever claimed that bike type is irrelevant, just that power overcomes the marginal difference between a $700 Trek and that BMC.
But all else being equal, the guy with the lighter bike and aero wheels will be faster.
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Same thing in photography, although probably more exaggerated. Give the latest and greatest camera equipment to an amateur and you're going to get amateur results. Give a cell phone to an a true artist and you'll get great photos. Give the latest and greatest camera to the artists and its even better. I hate it when people say "That's a great photo - what kind of camera did you use?"
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