redlude97

Huh? thats the first time I've ever heard the tops referred to as terrible. The tops are not a death grip position, its a relaxed position, just don't wrap your thumbs around the bottom and the elbows don't flair, there's barely any weight on them anyways



Exactly

woodcraft

I see that guy out on the road occasionally, & have noticed his bars & talked to him about them.

They look pretty cool and should promote an elbows-in aero position.

They also look like they'd be heavy but apparently lighter than my K wing ones.

In the wild they look distinctive but certainly no more ugly than clip-ons, one-piece bar/stems, etc..

Zaskar

I made fun of that bar when it launched. Then read the reviews - from guys who actually rode a Grail. Then I bought a Grail. Gotta admit... I love the bar.

PepeM

Looks > everything else

Dan333SP

27 mph

PepeM

Unpossible unless you're using back-up bars.

Dan333SP

Barz

PepeM

My bad, English is not my first language.

Dan333SP

400 watts

PepeM

Wattz.

Dan333SP

English is my 5th language, mea culpa

growlerdinky

sitting in?

bleui

for a moment I thought I had double vision

cat0020

The most important equipment on your bike for personal comfort, should be the points where the bike connects to the rider; handlebar, seat and pedals.

Form follows function, just because some equipment doesn't look like what's been used for ages, doesn't mean that they cannot function better than the age-old designs.

The first time I saw these handlebars few months ago, my initially thought the curves on the handle bar were ugly, too; but I thought about what function they might serve on the bike and $47 for carbon fiber handlebar just to try them out for myself.

I put them on my Chinese carbon aero bike for experiment, since the designated stem that comes with the frame puts the handlebar mounting location at a lower place than my other bikes.




Speaking from actual riding experience with these Toseek carbon handlebars, they are extremely comfortable if you ride on bar top most of the time.
Bar top have large section of flat area to support your palms.

The curves on the bar top not only allow the lower stem & handlebar mounting location, but actually conforms to your palm/thumb curvature; which allow better control without the need to put your thumbs under/around the bar top.

Sure the Chinese copies are not as solid as others, but I weigh less than 170 lb. and I'm not sprinting among cat 3 racers week after week, no need for super stiff handlebars, I welcome the flexibility over long distance for comfort.

rubiksoval

But it's an aero bar. Riding on the tops completely negates the entire point of the bar in the first point.

bruce19

A clever solution to a problem that doesn't exist?

cat0020

I don't consider it as an aero bar since it doesn't have the weight penalty of additional elbow pads, extra clamps, etc.

It's and aero road handlebar, more aerodynamic than regular road bars, and more comfortable, likely less weight.

Does it solve problem that doesn't exist? only if you are perfectly comfortable with regular road bar that offer no aero advantage and likely weigh more.
Personally, I like the solution it offers.

woodcraft

Don't mind the haterz,

but now do you need a $100 special computer/light mount to go w/ the $47 bars?

rubiksoval

Yeah, an aero handlebar. It solves the problem of being round and unaero. That's its entire point.

Its purpose is not to serve as a flat platform upon which you perch your hands to rectify a bad fit.

Of course, it's perfectly wonderful to use it as necessary, but let's not confuse its form and function, here.

cat0020

Computer/light mount comes with the handlebar, I just don't use it:


Yes, form follows function.. for rider functioning at bar top riding position, the curves on the handlebar bar top functions well with its form.
How well would you know it functions if you have not used it yourself?

jeffwhitfield 

Just installed the Wave handlebar on my bike. So far, pretty positive experience. They do take some getting used to though. The tops definitely feel different, especially after riding a traditional straight bar for so long. They also require some time to adjust. Had to tweak the angle of the tops twice after installing. But, once it's dialed it, it's all good. I'm still reviewing and, once I'm finished, I'll post a full review on my blog.

I'd post pics of my bike but, unfortunately, I can't till I have at least 10 posts.

Kimmo 

3T Aeronova is a similar shape, but it's totally sexy, as well as being ergo AF.




Toseek do a copy, I have three. Amazing value for $40 shipped, but just a little on the flexy side and the last part of the drops don't agree on their angle, cured by trimming 40mm off.

jeffwhitfield 

The 3T Aeronova looks to be more of an aero bar than one that’s good for gravel, endurance, cyclocross, and such. Not sure if those tops are truly all that ergo. Ergo to me is more than just flat tops. Granted, looks like they thought through the design of the corners. But, even then, $425 is a harder pill to swallow.

With the Wave, it looks to me like they really thought out the design and went a bit further with the tops. A truly neutral hand position is what makes for a better ergo bar in my opinion.

Plus, to be honest, I wouldn’t trust the Toseek bars. There’s a reason why they cost only $40. I wouldn’t dare trust the carbon fiber they use. Imagine your bar cracking mid-ride. Disaster waiting to happen.

Kimmo 

They're the comfiest bars I've ever used, most of which is down to the shape, which is completely awesome. Where they really shine is when you go the phantom aero bar - the tops are heaps comfy under your forearms, and the corner humps make the position actually feel fairly safe for once. The flex also soaks up vibration and big hits nicely when on the hoods or drops.

As for safety, of course $40 carbon bars are a gamble, but you don't have to bet your teeth, just the purchase price. Simply try to break them before fitting to the bike. You'll hear a few fibres break, testament to the fact the factory doesn't test them, but the three pairs I bought all passed the destruction test. Thus I have full confidence in them; with DIY QC, you might break the occasional bar, but having to order another one is NBD; they're still cheap at twice the price, assuming you couldn't get a refund.

At the very least, it's not a bad way of trying out the shape, if you'd be prepared to spend a few hundred on the real deal if it grabs you.

jeffwhitfield 

Yeah, but, the point of those bars isn't to ride gravel. They're built for speed more than anything. That's the intent of the design. For gravel riding, aero styles are thrown out the window. You don't need anything that can cut down on wind drag at that point. You need super comfort and control...even in the tops. Just not sure how an aero bar like that plays into gravel riding and such.

Strange how even on 3T's own website they point people to the SuperGhiaia bar for gravel riders, which is a completely different design. I actually looked at the Superergo bar initially. Only real distinguishing features is the flat tops and corner grips. No backsweep or really anything to aid in a more neutral hand position.

I personally have issues with tendonitis in my wrists so having something that can give me just the right angle for my wrists to be in when in the tops is a plus.