wheelreason

Trolling is such a drag....

tomato coupe

I think your post illustrates why this discussion always becomes somewhat heated. What you wrote is absolutely correct, however, not everyone uses the same definition of counter steering. Your (implicit) definition is that any movement in the opposite direction that is required to balance a bike falls under the category counter steering. But, others consider counter steering to occur only when the front wheel is actually turned in the opposite direction past 0°, which usually only occurs when one initiates a turn. People that use the former definition correctly state that "counter steering is required in a turn", while those that use the latter definition correctly state "counter steering is not required in a turn." Of course, any discussion about which definition is correct is destined to be just as heated, so the debate will live on for all eternity.

indyfabz

Saw this guy while I was touring out west. He knew how to steer steers.



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rumrunn6

depends if I'm riding left handed or right handed that day

Leisesturm

Those steers look awfully 'entire' to this city slicker ...

3alarmer 

...check your wheel dish front and rear, and your frame alignment.

pepperbelly

Those steers can be herded-influenced, but not steered.

indyfabz

It made me a bit sad to think that they were destined to end up on the dinner table. There is a lot of ranching in the area. I must have missed a relatively recent cattle drive because the highway through town (Wise River, MT) had a lot of cow pie remnants on it.

Interestingly, the popular bar/restaurant in town (The Wise River Club) recently got a new co-owner.

SoSmellyAir

The drag brake might possibly be even a worse idea than the steering wheel.

As for how I turn, I suspect it might be via telekinesis. I just will it and it happens.

pepperbelly

It makes you sad? It makes me hungry!😎

Very cool new owner!

john m flores 

Video sped up 2.2x

pepperbelly

I rode today and made a point to see how I steer.
At the speeds I ride I found I simply lean into a turn.
I intentionally tried to counter steer to move to one side or the other. It didn’t work. The bike simply moved in the direction I turned the handlebars. I expected this. On a motorcycle at slow speed it is the same- you steer into a turn like going around a corner.

wolfchild

Next thread: How do you use your brakes ?.

pepperbelly

😄. I’m sitting this one out.

Chuck M 

I think we had that. The argument that ensues is if you need the rear brake at all if it skids or if you will go over the bars if you lock the front brake.

tomato coupe

Either way, death is certain.

Alan K

Too bad, I thought there would an announcement for some battery operated handlebar plugs, bluetooth enabled, that would be controlled by an App from your exceedingly smart phone. How disappointing!

Ironfish653

There's Bluetooth controlled plugs alright; they're just not for your handlebars.

dedhed

By counter steer, gyroscopic precession, camber thrust, and centrifugal force

Troul 

<--- waiting for bluetooth/wireless HDMI steering tech to happen.

Alan K

Yes, I only think about turning, my body automagically leans and the bike obeys! 😉

delbiker1 

That would be psychedelic magic, perhaps.

indyfabz

I had a great steak several days later, but they were just so cool lumbering up the road. No idea of their ultimate fate. 😞

I saw ZZ Top at the Spectrum in Philly in (dates one’s self) the mid-80s.

downtube42

BITD some dude on a penny farthing realized he could lift the rear wheel off the ground and continue riding, giving birth to the unicycle. Which is steered with your butt.

My mountain uni is hard to ride on pavement 'cause the fat tire is sticky and doesn't want to turn, but offroad it's responsive.

rsbob 

From the NIH, it sounds very simple:“Your breathing muscles include:

• The diaphragm: This dome-shaped muscle below your lungs separates the chest cavity from the abdominal cavity. The diaphragm is the main muscle used for breathing.
• The muscles between your ribs: Called intercostal muscles, these muscles play a role in breathing during physical activity.
• Abdominal muscles: You use these muscles to help you breathe out when you are breathing fast, such as during physical activity.
• The muscles of the face, mouth, and pharynx: These control the lips, tongue, soft palate, and other structures to help with breathing. The pharynx is the part of the throat right behind the mouth. Problems with any of these muscles can narrow the airway, make it more difficult to breathe, and contribute to sleep apnea.
• Muscles in the neck and collarbone area: You use these muscles to help you breathe in.

Breathing is controlled by the autonomic nervous system, also called the involuntary nervous system.

• The  parasympathetic system  slows your breathing rate. It causes your bronchial tubes to narrow and the pulmonary blood vessels to widen.
• The  sympathetic system  increases your breathing rate.”

There’s of course much more to it…