New Trek "Madonda"?
01-23-24, 05:43 AM
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At what progressive gear increase did cross chaining come into existence, was it the 8, 9, or 10-speed cassette where the cassette became just that bit too wide?
01-23-24, 06:02 AM
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It could be when multiple chainrings came to the front. If it's a 1X, it can't be cross chaining, correct?
01-23-24, 06:25 AM
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Probably at 9. If you still have 5, 6, 7 or 8 speed like I do, you buy the same chain for all. 9 speed chains are different according to the chain mfgrs.
01-23-24, 11:45 AM
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01-23-24, 12:52 PM
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IMO, when you look at it from above, it's clearly crossed when on the big ring and one of the two easiest gears at the back or when on the small ring and one of the 2 hardest gears.
01-23-24, 05:15 PM
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I've wondered a bit why they just don't make new 8,9,10 speed cassettes with 12-speed cogs and chain. How much narrower would those all be.. and the makers can just sell 1 chain and all the same individual cogs to make up the cassette. That should help with tooling and reducing production lines, no?
01-23-24, 10:32 PM
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I suggested that back last year.....then Shimano came out with the CUES? line.
01-24-24, 07:19 AM
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Not entirely true, 12 Speed Ultegra Di2 doesn’t lock anything out, you can when using semi sync lock out small and smaller cogs, and big and bigger cogs it’s up to you though. Not sure about 105 though.
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01-24-24, 08:40 AM
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Personally I do avoid using big/big as it doesn’t feel as smooth as the equivalent gear on the small ring. But I will use it occasionally to get over a short hill in the big ring. Otherwise I drop into the small ring for longer climbs and make full use of the wide cassette range.
01-24-24, 09:19 AM
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I fail to understand why cross-chaining would be different on a 12sp versus an 11sp or 10sp. Care to elaborate?
01-24-24, 09:33 AM
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In general, the newer, narrower chains are designed to tolerate cross chaining more. But there probably isn't much in it. It's one of those things that doesn't require over-thinking.
01-25-24, 10:10 AM
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Having watched today's pros climbing some big-ass hills in big/big, I've concluded that anything I do is likely to have little adverse consequence to my bike.
I do try to avoid cross-chaining due to the noise and friction, but if I'm about to crest a hill and want to be on the big ring once I do, I won't hesitate to shift to the biggest cogs to get there.
I do try to avoid cross-chaining due to the noise and friction, but if I'm about to crest a hill and want to be on the big ring once I do, I won't hesitate to shift to the biggest cogs to get there.
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01-25-24, 10:21 AM
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Having watched today's pros climbing some big-ass hills in big/big, I've concluded that anything I do is likely to have little adverse consequence to my bike.
I do try to avoid cross-chaining due to the noise and friction, but if I'm about to crest a hill and want to be on the big ring once I do, I won't hesitate to shift to the biggest cogs to get there.
I do try to avoid cross-chaining due to the noise and friction, but if I'm about to crest a hill and want to be on the big ring once I do, I won't hesitate to shift to the biggest cogs to get there.
I always knew you were a cross chainer.
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01-27-24, 06:50 AM
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At first glance I thought the post title was, "New Trek 'Madonna'" and I started feeling a little sick to my stomach. 
01-29-24, 05:07 PM
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