Hookless Rim Max PSI.. is low
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Hookless Rim Max PSI.. is low
Okay first off, I know. These numbers are for my safety... and the safety of anyone behind me... I know. I would never exceed the max PSI on a tire. Ever.
But let's say someone did. Hypothetically. For example, if I, I mean, a rider finds that the calculated ideal PSI for the width of the hookless rim and the size of the tire is 78 PSI, and the max PSI on that tire (let's say they're 28mm Conti 5000s) is 73 PSI, do we think the engineers factored in a 6.5% margin of error, and that 78 PSI is totally fine. Hypothetically.
EDIT: Hookless... not hooked. datlas
But let's say someone did. Hypothetically. For example, if I, I mean, a rider finds that the calculated ideal PSI for the width of the hookless rim and the size of the tire is 78 PSI, and the max PSI on that tire (let's say they're 28mm Conti 5000s) is 73 PSI, do we think the engineers factored in a 6.5% margin of error, and that 78 PSI is totally fine. Hypothetically.
EDIT: Hookless... not hooked. datlas
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I think with hookless it’s a shift from the max being based on the TIRE to the RIM.
At this stage, I would be very cautious with higher pressure on hookless. Proceed with caution. I expect with time and even greater tolerances with rims/tires it won’t be as big a concern.
At this stage, I would be very cautious with higher pressure on hookless. Proceed with caution. I expect with time and even greater tolerances with rims/tires it won’t be as big a concern.
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edit: aha skimmed past your “optimum”. ok so it’s probably slower?
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If you find yourself at the maximum pressure recommended for a particular tire, it is time to run a bigger tire. It's as simple as that.
If you find the necessary pressure required of a particular tire size exceeds the maximum allowable by the rim, you need a stronger rim.
Here's a fun example of why.
If you find the necessary pressure required of a particular tire size exceeds the maximum allowable by the rim, you need a stronger rim.
Here's a fun example of why.
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Good point datlas - the 73 (actually, 72.5) PSI is the spec from Syncros on the hookless rim. There's always been that standard 1.5x safety margin in engineering... that a gross generalization for everything engineered. I'm looking for that real world data - you know, that "I've been running 15% over the max for 10 years and... " or "I went 76 PSI and the rim blew apart."
The hypothetical rider is at his optimal weight - eating fewer pies, losing weight isn't in the cards. Going from 28mm to 30mm tires isn't out of the question.
The hypothetical rider is at his optimal weight - eating fewer pies, losing weight isn't in the cards. Going from 28mm to 30mm tires isn't out of the question.
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Okay first off, I know. These numbers are for my safety... and the safety of anyone behind me... I know. I would never exceed the max PSI on a tire. Ever.
But let's say someone did. Hypothetically. For example, if I, I mean, a rider finds that the calculated ideal PSI for the width of the hookless rim and the size of the tire is 78 PSI, and the max PSI on that tire (let's say they're 28mm Conti 5000s) is 73 PSI, do we think the engineers factored in a 6.5% margin of error, and that 78 PSI is totally fine. Hypothetically.
EDIT: Hookless... not hooked. datlas
But let's say someone did. Hypothetically. For example, if I, I mean, a rider finds that the calculated ideal PSI for the width of the hookless rim and the size of the tire is 78 PSI, and the max PSI on that tire (let's say they're 28mm Conti 5000s) is 73 PSI, do we think the engineers factored in a 6.5% margin of error, and that 78 PSI is totally fine. Hypothetically.
EDIT: Hookless... not hooked. datlas
FYI, my former hookless rims (Giant SLR1) had a 125PSI pressure limit. Not all of them are maxed out at 5 bar. However, you need to make sure to respect both your wheel and tire maximum pressure ratings.
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I had hookless rims on my old Schwinn Varsity. Back in my less enlightened days, I'd pump them up to over 120 psi. Those were wire bead tires though.
If you are skittish and want no risk, then why even ask? Do you want to live forever?
If you are skittish and want no risk, then why even ask? Do you want to live forever?
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BITD, I repaired more Varsity bikes than I care to remember. Horrible, heavy things.
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That's the reason I stuck with hooked rims. I'm biggish and like the ride at ~80psi on my front tire (Conti Ultra Sport 28mm, inflated to 32mm), and 90psi on my rear (GP5k 28mm, inflated to 29mm). I've tried running lower, but always found that it felt squirrelly and squishy.
At least that takes away the want/need to go hookless/tubeless - no real point at the pressures I'm riding.
So I'd throw another option into the mix. If the rider wants to try 80psi on a short section of smooth road, it's likely fine. But if that's what he/she likes, then:
- Getting a fatter tire is likely the better solution
- Going back to hooked rims to allow for higher pressures
At least that takes away the want/need to go hookless/tubeless - no real point at the pressures I'm riding.
So I'd throw another option into the mix. If the rider wants to try 80psi on a short section of smooth road, it's likely fine. But if that's what he/she likes, then:
- Getting a fatter tire is likely the better solution
- Going back to hooked rims to allow for higher pressures
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I had hookless rims on my old Schwinn Varsity. Back in my less enlightened days, I'd pump them up to over 120 psi. Those were wire bead tires though.
If you are skittish and want no risk, then why even ask? Do you want to live forever?
https://youtu.be/NeOf-tv_YtI?t=3
If you are skittish and want no risk, then why even ask? Do you want to live forever?
https://youtu.be/NeOf-tv_YtI?t=3
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Good point datlas - the 73 (actually, 72.5) PSI is the spec from Syncros on the hookless rim. There's always been that standard 1.5x safety margin in engineering... that a gross generalization for everything engineered. I'm looking for that real world data - you know, that "I've been running 15% over the max for 10 years and... " or "I went 76 PSI and the rim blew apart."
The hypothetical rider is at his optimal weight - eating fewer pies, losing weight isn't in the cards. Going from 28mm to 30mm tires isn't out of the question.
The hypothetical rider is at his optimal weight - eating fewer pies, losing weight isn't in the cards. Going from 28mm to 30mm tires isn't out of the question.
Note: check your pressure gauge is reasonably accurate too, especially when working close to the max limit.
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