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Old 04-15-20, 08:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Piff View Post
I'm here in California as well, and I sincerely doubt any large events will happen either. The state will relax quarantine for regular desk jobs surely before the end of the year, but I can't imagine they'd start allowing events where close contact with hundreds of people is unavoidable. Not before antibody testing is happening in the millions.

Not to mention that the demographics (old/male) for Eroica could mean that a breakout would be devastating if a carrier attended.
Agreed on all points.

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Originally Posted by mech986 View Post
As mentioned above, the weather in Cambria for Sundayís ride would have been a challenge.

Well, maybe we lucked out with the Eroica California postponement in Cambria.

Weather Saturday today, 58* high, 47* overnight low, partly cloudy, so the NOVA riders probably would have had a great ride.

But rain forecast to start by 10pm Saturday and continuing to 90-100% by 6am Sunday, then throughout the day.
58 for a high? That would have been lovely! Perfect weather for a spirited ride. We had snow up here in MT...
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Someone else bumped the 2019 Eroica thread up to the top. Rather than extend that thread it would be better to post updates to this one. Given that COVID case rates in California (especially SoCal) are still going up, I am skeptical that a large group event such as Eroica could be carried out safely. It might even not be legal in light of California shutdown rules. We shall see.
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Originally Posted by davester View Post
Someone else bumped the 2019 Eroica thread up to the top. Rather than extend that thread it would be better to post updates to this one. Given that COVID case rates in California (especially SoCal) are still going up, I am skeptical that a large group event such as Eroica could be carried out safely. It might even not be legal in light of California shutdown rules. We shall see.
Yeah that was me. It seems like you should read the post you are adding to, HUH?
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Hey everyone!
It is 12 weeks before the new Eroica CA schedule weekend. I am starting a 10 week training plan later this month so I am sure to be ready. Let's all be optimistic, and I will see you there!

I am guessing this is a pipe dream, but I need to keep the dream alive. After the first cancellation, I went into a funk, and stopped training and riding for a couple of months...
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I might be taking a New/Old bike to the Event instead of my Moser,, I'll find out in a few days.
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I’m kinda doubtful that I’ll be ready to fly cross country and stay in a non-secure sleeping environment for several days while sharing space, beer and food with additional vectors at the end of September.
But hey, I’m 69 and in that, what do you call it, uh, likely-to-die-if-they-come-down-with-this-thing class.
Really looking forward to 2021....
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Iím kinda doubtful that Iíll be ready to fly cross country and stay in a non-secure sleeping environment for several days while sharing space, beer and food with additional vectors at the end of September.
But hey, Iím 69 and in that, what do you call it, uh, likely-to-die-if-they-come-down-with-this-thing class.
Really looking forward to 2021....
Me too Doc. FWIW, you have a 40 year old interior.

I will be surprised if the ride actually happens and even if it does, the gabbing, the gnoshing, etc are just as much of the fun as the riding so Iím passing and looking forward to 2021 too. If I was local, Iíd make a game day decision but guaranteed it wonít be the same. Too bad too, since it seemed Eroica had committed to smoothing some of the rough edges from last yearís experience.
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I think we should all commit to a 3-month tour/rolling party the summer of 2021!
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I agree with rccardr and Spaghetti Legs on the point of risk and likelihood of this happening. I Just wanted to have a little something to look forward to, even if it is faux excitement! If I feel safe enough, I will probably be riding in that area on that weekend regardless of Eroica status. I am turning 60, but DAMN... I feel like a kid still! How did I creep into a higher risk group?
If things go as planned, by 2021, my wife and I will be more or less locals, and then I will have to manufacture some camaraderie instead of joining the Palazzo! Probably would be there already, but changing jobs in the health care field in the times of pandemic is a nebulous proposition.
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If it is on for September, I'll go and Camp and ride solo, because I paid and I really like the course. Heading out for 75 and 7500 in a few minutes just in case.

edit: crazy times. I cut short my ride when it was discovered my yard art protest sign was stolen last night. My daughter and I spent the morning making a bigger better one.
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Another old (66) at risk guy here! I'm in for Neal's summer 2021 (or perhaps 2022) rolling party.

In addition to the health issues, bear in mind that Europe is not allowing flights from the US right now, meaning that the Italian Eroica staff would not be able to travel to and from California. Similarly, several eastern states are requiring 14-day quarantines of people coming from California. That might put a big damper on plans for people from those states. The more I think about this the less likely it becomes. Do I really want to travel to an event where a large fraction of the participants would likely be coming from a virus hot spot (Los Angeles region) just as case rates are ramping up...I don't think so.
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3 months since my last post on this thread and the numbers are worse. I don’t think things are going to change to make this event a go. I still see denial and politics getting in the way of recovery. This virus is real and the threat of contracting it for a cycling event doesn’t seem logical. The organizers need to get honest about the probability of cancellation. I ride every weekend here in Ventura County and have been seeing groups of 6-8 or more cyclists riding very close together without masks . I don’t think I could wear a mask while riding either ,which is why I avoid others while riding and keep a huge distance effort. I would love to see this event happen and I understand the Eroica organization has put a lot into this, but they need to make the right decision based on logic and safety.
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Originally Posted by davester View Post
Another old (66) at risk guy here! I'm in for Neal's summer 2021 (or perhaps 2022) rolling party.

In addition to the health issues, bear in mind that Europe is not allowing flights from the US right now, meaning that the Italian Eroica staff would not be able to travel to and from California. Similarly, several eastern states are requiring 14-day quarantines of people coming from California. That might put a big damper on plans for people from those states. The more I think about this the less likely it becomes. Do I really want to travel to an event where a large fraction of the participants would likely be coming from a virus hot spot (Los Angeles region) just as case rates are ramping up...I don't think so.
1/3 of Cambria's population is over 65, one more thing to consider.

I hate to be that guy, but Eroica 2020 anywhere is a pipe dream.
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Originally Posted by mgopack42 View Post
I agree with rccardr and Spaghetti Legs on the point of risk and likelihood of this happening. I Just wanted to have a little something to look forward to, even if it is faux excitement! If I feel safe enough, I will probably be riding in that area on that weekend regardless of Eroica status. I am turning 60, but DAMN... I feel like a kid still! How did I creep into a higher risk group?
If things go as planned, by 2021, my wife and I will be more or less locals, and then I will have to manufacture some camaraderie instead of joining the Palazzo! Probably would be there already, but changing jobs in the health care field in the times of pandemic is a nebulous proposition.
What type of medical work do you currently do? I know they were trying to expand medical services in the Santa Maria area. I am with you, I want to feel some anticipation and excitement, and I do have that for the event and the riding. But realistically, I'm not confident that the event would go off in any large way given the way the pandemic is affecting California, particularly Los Angeles County. I would like to think Cambria and the Central Coast is minimally affected but travel and importation from outside would be a huge risk for Cambria as well as other participants. As for being in a high risk group, yeah, vintage bikes, mostly vintage riders and owners.

So do you plan to move to the Cambria area in 2021? Great idea and hope at that time or earlier you find a living property that suits your needs. Lots of nice stuff there, or if you want more modern, build it.

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Another old (66) at risk guy here! I'm in for Neal's summer 2021 (or perhaps 2022) rolling party.

In addition to the health issues, bear in mind that Europe is not allowing flights from the US right now, meaning that the Italian Eroica staff would not be able to travel to and from California. Similarly, several eastern states are requiring 14-day quarantines of people coming from California. That might put a big damper on plans for people from those states. The more I think about this the less likely it becomes. Do I really want to travel to an event where a large fraction of the participants would likely be coming from a virus hot spot (Los Angeles region) just as case rates are ramping up...I don't think so.
Yes, lots of issues for travel currently and likely into the future. International and even domestic air travel is going to be a big issue since we really saw how individuals traveling spread the virus globally, and then on the ground locally. Also, for California, its not just from Los Angeles, but San Diego, the SF / Oakland Bay area, etc.

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3 months since my last post on this thread and the numbers are worse. I donít think things are going to change to make this event a go. I still see denial and politics getting in the way of recovery. This virus is real and the threat of contracting it for a cycling event doesnít seem logical. The organizers need to get honest about the probability of cancellation. I ride every weekend here in Ventura County and have been seeing groups of 6-8 or more cyclists riding very close together without masks . I donít think I could wear a mask while riding either ,which is why I avoid others while riding and keep a huge distance effort. I would love to see this event happen and I understand the Eroica organization has put a lot into this, but they need to make the right decision based on logic and safety.
Unfortunately, a lot of riders out there just went back to what they always did. Being young (under 40) doesn't make you immune but less likely to have a really bad Covid case, but as we saw with Nick Cordero, age 41, who died a few days ago, anyone can be severely affected. Just a fact that most young people feel invincible no matter what. Yes, their risks are much lower, but that doesn't mean one shouldn't do their part in reducing risk overall for others. Some of the research suggests that riders at speed need to space much farther than just 6 feet for standing or walking. Some studies suggest increased distance for increased speeds, something like 16-20 feet for 10mph, 32 feet for 15mph and so on, due to the amount of ground you cover per second. Given that most of us are breathing and exhaling much more air volume while cycling/exercising, the amount of droplet spread is larger, leaving more in slipstreams which don't dissipate as fast unless good crosswinds. And of course, riding in a pack, the guy at the back is always breathing everything the whole pack is leaving behind. Normal face masks will not be terribly helpful in this type of scenario.

Now I did wear a surgical mask during the winter when it was quite cold and would dry out my throat and nose quickly without it. It wasn't easy but it certainly wasn't hard to get used to if you're committed to doing it. In this hotter weather, its sure a problem, but again, not insurmountable. The biggest issue is moisture so carrying a couple of masks, and letting them air/dry out during rest stops would help. Or just take a more leisurely pace or bike in windy conditions.

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1/3 of Cambria's population is over 65, one more thing to consider.

I hate to be that guy, but Eroica 2020 anywhere is a pipe dream.
Unfortunately, you're right and the risk to both Cambria's population and outside participants will be real. Oregon has been very lucky that the major urban centers have been spared mostly and the rest of the state is pretty rural so socially distanced normally. Cambria has many pockets of density and a relatively concentrated downtown social environment so they have to be careful. I'm sure the lack of tourism has hurt and helped in both senses.

For anyone who is interested, you can follow Aaron Linn, owner of Linn's Fruitbin farms and Linn's of Cambria. He rides quite regularly and we can enjoy his riding videos that he posts on Facebook. I keep in touch with him and he really wants to have this event but knows it must be done when its safe. Consider though ordering shipped Linn's products (including pies!!). You'll have to follow him on Facebook for access.

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Originally Posted by mgopack42 View Post
I agree with rccardr and Spaghetti Legs on the point of risk and likelihood of this happening. I Just wanted to have a little something to look forward to, even if it is faux excitement! If I feel safe enough, I will probably be riding in that area on that weekend regardless of Eroica status. I am turning 60, but DAMN... I feel like a kid still! How did I creep into a higher risk group?
If things go as planned, by 2021, my wife and I will be more or less locals, and then I will have to manufacture some camaraderie instead of joining the Palazzo! Probably would be there already, but changing jobs in the health care field in the times of pandemic is a nebulous proposition.
I'm in a 2023 retirement timeframe, looking at Atascadero to move the Atelier, if things go to plan, we might be riding a lot together then!
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If things go as planned, by 2021, my wife and I will be more or less locals, and then I will have to manufacture some camaraderie instead of joining the Palazzo! Probably would be there already, but changing jobs in the health care field in the times of pandemic is a nebulous proposition.
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I'm in a 2023 retirement timeframe, looking at Atascadero to move the Atelier, if things go to plan, we might be riding a lot together then!
If I'm still vaguely in the area, I'd love to ride with both of you. You can come down 1.25 hours south to the Santa Ynez Valley, or I can head up to the SLO/Atascadero area. Great riding in either location.
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I'm local enough that I'm still hoping to ride it when or if it happens this year. I might ride with a couple people that I know and trust to be healthy, but wouldn't ride with strangers and that's a hard thing to say since the comraderie is part of the draw.

I'd have a hard time justifying any kind of farther travel.
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If I'm still vaguely in the area, I'd love to ride with both of you. You can come down 1.25 hours south to the Santa Ynez Valley, or I can head up to the SLO/Atascadero area. Great riding in either location.
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I think we should all commit to a 3-month tour/rolling party the summer of 2021!
I'm in!
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Me too Doc. FWIW, you have a 40 year old interior.
rccardr Doc, that's a real doc's assessment.
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...it seemed Eroica had committed to smoothing some of the rough edges from last yearís experience.
Maybe that's the silver lining to CV19 shutting down EC 2020: the organizers have an extra year of planning to ensure 2021 is the best ever.

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I'm planning on waiting until 2021 as well. Though, I'm not looking forward to getting on a plane any time soon, even next April. I've been holed up in my house riding Zwift and waiting for this thing to pass. We'll see what happens by winter. Being immunosuppressed makes me sure that this is not a bug I want to get. I'm fairly sure of the outcome.
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I just received an email from Kaori our organizer for the Eroica California group. She said that they(committee) are watching the situation carefully and plan to make an announcement on July 16 regarding the event . I personally don't know how it could happen September 27 as it is now planned. As much as I look forward to this event, I hope it is put off until next year. Joe
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I have thought about it a lot and decided that even if they do end up holding the ride--which does not seem especially likely to me--I won't be going. April of 2021 actually seems like a stretch to me. Maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised.
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At two years shy of 70 I think I'm fairly typical of many of the attendees. If they hold it this September and a sizable number of us are foolhardy enough to attend, they might just end up with a much younger and smaller crowd in 2021.
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