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Old 01-14-21, 02:59 PM
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Limmer Boot Grease on a Brooks

Curious question. Would you consider Limmer Boot Grease as a potential alternative to Proofide for conditioning a Brooks saddle?

I have a canister of it, and would think it would do the same as Proofide.
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Originally Posted by Het Volk View Post
Curious question. Would you consider Limmer Boot Grease as a potential alternative to Proofide for conditioning a Brooks saddle?

I have a canister of it, and would think it would do the same as Proofide.
Maybe, very sparingly.

I use Langlitz leather dressing, it has silicone which many here consider a big no-no so.......

It seems to work great and have been using it for several years now with no ill effects on new, old, well used and many in between.
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i've got a b17 and two b72's. i'd used a couple of different highly recommended products on them in not too recent past. i wish now i hadn't because i can see what some others on the forum were talking about. you don't want to use anything that will soften the leather. they actually can sag prematurely. i've had to adjust them more than i really should be

from now on i won't use anything other than proofide or a product that 99.9% resembles it. and i really don't like to be a purist. anyway, proofide's cheap enough on ebay
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Originally Posted by Het Volk View Post
Curious question. Would you consider Limmer Boot Grease as a potential alternative to Proofide for conditioning a Brooks saddle?

I have a canister of it, and would think it would do the same as Proofide.
This is akin to asking what oil to use on a vintage BMW motorcycle forum. Danger!
Brooks saddles are expensive enough that I won't and don't risk putting unknown volatile petro-products on my saddles. You feel free to do so but my > 3 decades of Proofide use keep me coming back. (I do prefer the older formulation)
YMMV
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Originally Posted by Het Volk View Post
Curious question. Would you consider Limmer Boot Grease as a potential alternative to Proofide for conditioning a Brooks saddle?

I have a canister of it, and would think it would do the same as Proofide.
Limmer grease! Man, that takes me back to my trailwork days in the early 70s.

Yeah, I'd probably use it. I've been known to use a little Sno-Seal on my Brooks saddles (and on my Limmers, back when I had them). But most people here are going to be aghast at the thought of using anything but Proofide.
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Originally Posted by jonwvara View Post
Limmer grease! Man, that takes me back to my trailwork days in the early 70s.

Yeah, I'd probably use it. I've been known to use a little Sno-Seal on my Brooks saddles (and on my Limmers, back when I had them). But most people here are going to be aghast at the thought of using anything but Proofide.
Own a pair of Limmers and Limmer boot grease is just awesome stuff. However, it may soften the Brooks saddle too much based on responses here.

To me, hiking in anything but a pair of Norwegian Welt hikers seems wrong.
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Originally Posted by Het Volk View Post
Own a pair of Limmers and Limmer boot grease is just awesome stuff. However, it may soften the Brooks saddle too much based on responses here.

To me, hiking in anything but a pair of Norwegian Welt hikers seems wrong.
Well, it is wrong.
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Originally Posted by thook View Post
i've got a b17 and two b72's. i'd used a couple of different highly recommended products on them in not too recent past. i wish now i hadn't because i can see what some others on the forum were talking about. you don't want to use anything that will soften the leather. they actually can sag prematurely. i've had to adjust them more than i really should be

from now on i won't use anything other than proofide or a product that 99.9% resembles it. and i really don't like to be a purist. anyway, proofide's cheap enough on ebay
What recommendations led to premature sagging?
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Originally Posted by Het Volk View Post
Own a pair of Limmers and Limmer boot grease is just awesome stuff. However, it may soften the Brooks saddle too much based on responses here.

To me, hiking in anything but a pair of Norwegian Welt hikers seems wrong.
Maybe

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Vas...Boots-Mens-10-
M/254831073356?hash=item3b551d984c:g:ngEAAOSwHpZfsDyK

And not sure about the Norwegian welt but I had pair of Vasque in HS, didn't really hike much but they were in style so......

They were the heaviest steel shank top of the line at the time that I got on clearance for a fraction of regular price.

Wore them for a couple of years, never did break in though my feet finally started to and never showed any wear

Plenty of the cool kids and my friends were amazed at them and the damage you could do and despite not being steel toe, they might as well have been, you could probably run over them with a car.
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forget the Brooks, let's see some pics of the Limmers!
Always wanted a pair, never had the patience to get on the list.
Old, but neat article:
https://books.google.com/books?id=_d...=limmer&f=true

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Originally Posted by Unca_Sam View Post
What recommendations led to premature sagging?
i honestly don't recall offhand. i know have a partial container left of one them (i still use it for gloves and boots). i'll have to find it and retrieve the brand

edit: what i found in my cabinet is fiebing's saddle care. but, shoot...i really don't think that's the stuff i used. i recall one product being in a bottle with a swabber (wanna say nor-v-gen) and the other was a creamy product in a plastic jar. i should add neither product was something i'd read about on BF

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Originally Posted by clubman View Post
This is akin to asking what oil to use on a vintage BMW motorcycle forum. Danger!
Brooks saddles are expensive enough that I won't and don't risk putting unknown volatile petro-products on my saddles. You feel free to do so but my > 3 decades of Proofide use keep me coming back.
I prefer to use mink oil on my saddles and my reasons are as follows:
My wife is an avid equestrian, one of many on her side of the family. She still rides in two of her grandmothers saddles, one of which is a side saddle. The other was a "working" saddle and was used almost daily by the grandmother before being handed down to her mother. Her mother used it daily, who as a school teacher rode a horse to the school house where she taught. My wife uses it less frequently than prior generations but still regularly. The grandparents always used mink oil to condition those saddles and over 100 years later the leather in those saddles is still soft, supple and strong. Now, maybe horse people are better at taking care of their equipment than cyclists but this is the longest running testament to a leather care product that I am personally familiar with.

People here are thinking in terms of years of longevity as evidence for their preferred product but this example spans a dozen decades or more. Personally I think that there are a number of products that will work well, the key is that using animal based oils on an animal skin product is likely to yield the best result. That and regular care and treatment of the saddle and you are good to go!
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Oldairhead well, that's the crux of the matter with a brook's saddle and choosing a product to use.<< "soft and supple">>. it's just what i've discovered (as others have)....the brooks leather needs to stay firm (not soft and supple) due the way it's suspended. horse saddles don't have that dynamic as the leather is not suspended. they're supported by the chassis (or whatever equestrians call it) underneath it. like you said, there's many fine products..including what you're using....that will preserve the leather very well on a brooks protecting it from weathering and drying out, etc. proofide (or any similar formula) will do that, but won't cause the fibers to go soft. it won't "condition" the leather. a brooks needs to stay firm and still ....eventually...conform to your shape. therein lies it's comfort. also, that it does flex some under your movements

anyway, not replying to argue or dissuade what you or anyone uses. if whatever you use doesn't cause it to sag prematurely, then great. a brooks should last for years, but they sure are fussier than regular saddles. the unique form of support is worth it, i suppose
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Limmers

Can’t have a Limmer thread without a photo of limmers, about 45 years old.

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It would be absolutely fascinating to discover a product that would make my Ideale saddles "soft and supple".

I can tell ya straight and true that mink oil is my fave but soft and supple it ain't
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Repeated use of any product that softens leather will eventually ruin a Brooks saddle.
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Originally Posted by brian3069 View Post
Repeated use of any product that softens leather will eventually ruin a Brooks saddle.
Perhaps soft and supple as a description is taken out of context. Pliable but strong would be more accurate. The only failures that I have had on Brooks saddles were on those that were "firm" and not pliable. I have two on my wall of shame right now in that sad condition that I acquired second hand. Soft and supple does not equate to the leather being weak either. In western equestrian saddles the straps, skirts and cinchs must be very strong to carry the loads, yet must also be pliable (or soft and supple) for the comfort of the horse. A Brooks or other leather bicycle saddle is essential a "butt hammock" and must also be pliable but strong like equestrian saddle parts. The "strength" of the leather is generally a factor the quality and the thickness of the skin. As we know, the quality of leather these days is not what it used to be. This may be why we see more failures in modern Brooks saddles.

The primary ingredient in Proofide is tallow which is generally a mix of animal byproduct derived fats. So, like mink oil it is in the family of products which are compatible for use on animal skins. Both products will do a fine job to keep a saddle comfy with regular use, Arguing for one over the other is kind of like saying that Ford is better than Chevy when we all know that is not true!
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Originally Posted by KLOSHE View Post
Can’t have a Limmer thread without a photo of limmers, about 45 years old.

TFC Limmers, at that!
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Originally Posted by merziac View Post
Maybe, very sparingly.

I use Langlitz leather dressing, it has silicone which many here consider a big no-no so.......

It seems to work great and have been using it for several years now with no ill effects on new, old, well used and many in between.
silicone is the “ crack” of chemical engineers.
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Originally Posted by repechage View Post
silicone is the “ crack” of chemical engineers.
True enough and yet Langlitz entrusts their almost 75 year history and quality with it, especially here in waterlogged PDX.

https://www.langlitz.com/langlitz-history/

https://www.langlitz.com/product/leather-dressing/
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Road Fan , Selle Anatomica doesn't recommend using anything to soften their leather. They sell an acrylic waterproofing to apply to the underside of their saddles, and IIRC, the tops are meant to shed water.

I used Obenauf's Heavy Duty LP for my boots on a few Brooks saddles with good results. Just SA sealant on those saddles.
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What your foot does in a boot and what your arse does atop a saddle are really different things. I wouldn’t treat leather the same way in both cases.
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