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Old 04-11-13, 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Chombi
Cheaper?, Lighter?,...Heck then I should maybe trade in my Toyota for a Trabant tomorrow if I can dig up one...... Similarly, cheaper and lighter for the bicycle manufacturer does not always translate to something favorable to every cyclist.
Agreed, but...

Racing bicycle design is driven by racers and the demand of the consumer to have the lightest and fastest bike possible as they try to emulate the racer. At one time unicrowns were a piece of technology that satisfied a number of wants to the consumer (less expensive, lighter and stiffer) the company (less costly to produce, easier to design and manufacturer and better in performance) and the racer (lighter and stiffer). Aesthetics did not play a role in this decision or at least it took a back seat. It was not just about "cheeping out" it was truly superior to the lugged fork for many stakeholders in the mountain bike market from producer to consumer to racer. I recently built a 29er monster cross and as I search for the perfect lugged crown I came to the realization it didn't really exist. I ended up with a pacenti MTB crown even though I have heard how flexible and unsuitable they are for real mountain biking. I realized what everyone was offering was blades for unicrown forks. There is another reason today why a unicrown makes more sense on MTBs too. Disc brakes. Unicrowns can be welded at any angle and alloy you to make them any width for cross of dirt jumper. Plus if you want to use a disc brake a straight blade is better because you must yield the steel to rake it and putting a disc on it puts forces on the blade that want to unrake it. So while you can still do it and people have come up with fancy tabs with long support arms, the fact remains that manufactures of blades are making them for unicrown and lug manufacturers aren't making crowns because they wouldn't be able to sell very many. Hey it ain't the prettiest, but it works and that is the point.
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Pfffft. I have a bike, my daily rider in fact, that has not only a unicown fork, but also unicrown seat stays. It's the most durable bike I've ever owned, a 1993 Giant Prodigy. My '92 Paramount also has a unicrown fork. They're a whole lot easier to keep clean. I can't wrap my mind around this pedantry about looks. Bikes are for riding. Cars are for driving. Shoes are for walking. Who cares what they look like?
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Originally Posted by auchencrow
Read.
You missed the entire point, I said, "I don't fault the manufacturers for innovating to improve their margins."
I'm just not buying what they're selling, and there is nothing wrong with that either.
Agreed. I apologize as it seemed to me you were denigrating the new carbon lightweights. I see your point and I agree they are not for everyone and many (maybe most) of us are served well enough by a steel lugged frame for road cycling.
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Originally Posted by cyclotoine
Agreed. I apologize as it seemed to me you were denigrating the new carbon lightweights. I see your point and I agree they are not for everyone and many (maybe most) of us are served well enough by a steel lugged frame for road cycling.
And I agree that the S5 et al could beat my beauties in a race hands-down, but then again, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. (That's why I only buy old stuff! )
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Originally Posted by Grand Bois
Really? That doesn't seem possible. Why is the aluminum fork so heavy?

The Lambert/Viscount aluminum fork was cast as a solid piece.
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Old 04-11-13, 04:39 PM
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Wow. Never thought about it, I guess. Unicrowns are ubiqitous, anymore.

Specialized Roubaix

Mandaric (Easton SLX)

Reynolds Ouzo (woo, a vintage fork by now!)

Trek Madone (almost a "no crown")

1987 Klein Quantum Chorus (the Knesis Fork)

And the ultimate horror. A woundup fork on my tandem...unicrown, legs as big as your wrist, and (gasp!) disk brake only. Works good, though.

I'm just a fork esthetics cretin, I guess.
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Originally Posted by seedsbelize
Pfffft. I have a bike, my daily rider in fact, that has not only a unicown fork, but also unicrown seat stays. It's the most durable bike I've ever owned, a 1993 Giant Prodigy. My '92 Paramount also has a unicrown fork. They're a whole lot easier to keep clean. I can't wrap my mind around this pedantry about looks. Bikes are for riding. Cars are for driving. Shoes are for walking. Who cares what they look like?
I realize that I should just clam up and let these things pass, being that I am in the miniscule minority here. And I do so a lot. Sometimes, though, I just can't. Forgive me if I've offended you. Or made you throw up in your mouth.
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Nah...a good topic. And a good discussion. Can't always be tweaking technical stuff or arguing about when Campy quit putting Titanium bolts in super record derailleurs.
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Originally Posted by seedsbelize
I realize that I should just clam up and let these things pass, being that I am in the miniscule minority here. And I do so a lot. Sometimes, though, I just can't. Forgive me if I've offended you. Or made you throw up in your mouth.
I found your post refreshing.
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Unicrown = no crown......
= Unicrown killed/eliminated the fork crown...
So maybe the argument really is more like who misses the fork crown......I do and so do many other C&Vers....
Next thing you know it, we'll be arguing about threaded and threadless headsets...then quill and threadless stems.....It's a slippery slope!....
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Originally Posted by Lascauxcaveman
My Trek 600 and its whatdayacallit? "Sloping fork crown?" Is that the right term? Does it qualify for the hate? (apart from being dirty).
That's not a unicrown; it's a Tange investment cast crown with internal lugs:

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Originally Posted by seedsbelize
Pfffft. Who cares what they look like?
I do...! Always have, always will.

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Old 04-11-13, 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by DiabloScott
Without even seeing it, I can tell this bike has the saddle with the nose down at an inhuman angle... and maybe the handlebars turned upside down too.
dang bro...

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Originally Posted by frantik
dang bro...

That's a great ride.

I'd lose the saddle, but that's it.

Fun.
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Originally Posted by gomango
That's a great ride.

I'd lose the saddle, but that's it.

Fun.
cheers.. and yeah I need a better saddle, just haven't bothered to find one yet
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Originally Posted by frantik
cheers.. and yeah I need a better saddle, just haven't bothered to find one yet
Whatcha' need?

I always have extras. Can you ride a Concor for example?

Might look sweet on that bad boy.
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Originally Posted by JohnDThompson
That's not a unicrown; it's a Tange investment cast crown with internal lugs:

Whew! So technically speaking, it *is* lugged. For a minute there, i thought I might have to choose between riding an uncool bike or just throwing it away.

Obviously, I kid. Has there ever been an uncool vintage American Trek? I think not.

Say, aren't there Schwinn Paramounts from the 1990'a with unicrowns?
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Originally Posted by Italuminium
The sloping Cinelli crown made for internal brazing was the last, but beautiful hoorah for the fork crown. All carbon and unibrow forks after that.

Originally Posted by RobbieTunes
Made by the Chirico brothers in Bussero, after they patented a machine/process to make them, I believe.
Patent was around 1984, and a lot of forks made after that came from Bussero.
While the Cinelli fully sloping crown was the evolutionary predecessor to the unicrown it was a very slow evolution by technology standards. The fully sloping crowns were available well back into the 1950s on the Cinelli SC and were also used on the boom era Raleigh Professional. However, they were not very popular, with many builders claiming them to be too stiff. Regardless, they predated the advent of the unicrown by at least three decades and there were still literally hundreds of millions of traditional crowns that would be manufactured. That's one incredibly long last hurrah.
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Originally Posted by Lascauxcaveman
Say, aren't there Schwinn Paramounts from the 1990'a with unicrowns?
Yes, there are... It is very unfortunate, too.
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Not dead yet!
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Originally Posted by frantik
you are wrong

Originally Posted by clubman
MTN bikes should look like this.




As much as I think the black chrome lugged unicrown fork is pretty freakin' cool- the bi-plane fork is the cat's pajamas.

When I get the stupid amount of money for a stupidly custom built bike- it'll be fillet brazed with a bi-plane fork. And chrome. I promise you.




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Vintage track Unicrown...very cool. Love to know reason for squared off casting at rear.

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Do you think Unibrows and Unicrowns go together??
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Originally Posted by Michael Angelo
Do you think Unibrows and Unicrowns go together??
After yet losing another prime sprint in his last criteriuM, Bruno's JUST had enough!

"I NEED UNICROWN....NOW!!!!....ARRRRRGGGHHHH!!!"
BTW, Nice mustache too, Bruno!
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