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@carleton, some of the crux of this discussion is well explained in here:
AIS power training for sprinters ? aboc Cycle Coaching
REALLY good read!
AIS power training for sprinters ? aboc Cycle Coaching
REALLY good read!
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@carleton, the crux of this discussion is well explained in here:
AIS power training for sprinters ? aboc Cycle Coaching
REALLY good read!
AIS power training for sprinters ? aboc Cycle Coaching
REALLY good read!
I've been around a loooong time.
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Yes. I'm familiar with that essay. I read it nearly 10 years ago when it was originally posted to FixedGearFever.com. It has greatly influenced me since. I literally reread it every year or so. I saved the text to my hard drive in a note
I've been around a loooong time.
I've been around a loooong time.
See? I read it for the first time two days ago. That sort of reinforces your points!
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The fitness, vascularity (number of blood vessels), pedaling dynamics, and work ethic are the most valuable things that transfer over. Everything else should be forgotten and open to be relearned.
Theo Bos' peloton tactics don't help him in team sprint or match sprints
Further, a road "sprinter" generally has the physiology of a track "enduro". Nothstein and Bos are outliers. There are far more athletes who go back and forth between road-sprinter and track-enduro than road-sprinter and track-sprinter.
Theo Bos' peloton tactics don't help him in team sprint or match sprints
Further, a road "sprinter" generally has the physiology of a track "enduro". Nothstein and Bos are outliers. There are far more athletes who go back and forth between road-sprinter and track-enduro than road-sprinter and track-sprinter.
Further, most American road "sprinters" often don't have the physiology to be modern road sprinters -- who have massive aerobic power. So I'm guessing that a good domestic road sprinter would have a reasonable chance of doing pretty well on the track. But like you said, these are just opinions and speculation until they put up some results.
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Brad Huff, a crit national champion, raced a bunch of track back in the day, dialed it back when Track Nats started conflicting with road season. Adrian Hegyvary was part of UHC's leadout train during its heyday, and now he's on the US National Team focusing on the Team Pursuit. Eric Young is a sprinter on Rally, also on the US Nat'l Team ... which in the past year has repeatedly set a new national record in the team pursuit, bronzed at a World Cup, and gotten their time close to that 4:00 threshold. I can't remember who rode which TPs, though. oh and Dan Holloway! He's on the Nat'l Team, does TPs, also won a world cup omnium. he's a multi time crit national champion.
The landscape for women is a little bit different, the road sprinter -> track enduro crossover doesn't quite look the same. Ff the women's nat'l team enduros: Chloe Dygert is a road TT world champion, Ruth Winder has tons of road results including winning Joe Martin, and the rest (Valente, Catlin, Geist, Zubris, Birch) are by and large track-only specialists.
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And the current Women's 60+ Match Sprint World Champion was a crit specialist and she also completed the Silver State 508...
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It's the young adult and middle-aged groups where specialization and genetic predisposition are rewarded.
Also, there are some athletes that are gifted enough to be able to train their bodies to perform at the highest levels in both Sprint and Endurance events. Jennie Reed is a modern example. She was top world-class and Olympic Sprinter and Enduro...but not in the same seasons.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jennie_Reed
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Older masters are like younger juniors where the same racers dominate across the board.
It's the young adult and middle-aged groups where specialization and genetic predisposition are rewarded.
Also, there are some athletes that are gifted enough to be able to train their bodies to perform at the highest levels in both Sprint and Endurance events. Jennie Reed is a modern example. She was top world-class and Olympic Sprinter and Enduro...but not in the same seasons.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jennie_Reed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lz8q5BEY6qY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1c2EvzjOgk
It's the young adult and middle-aged groups where specialization and genetic predisposition are rewarded.
Also, there are some athletes that are gifted enough to be able to train their bodies to perform at the highest levels in both Sprint and Endurance events. Jennie Reed is a modern example. She was top world-class and Olympic Sprinter and Enduro...but not in the same seasons.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jennie_Reed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lz8q5BEY6qY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1c2EvzjOgk
I may be an exception. I sprint, and that's it. Oh, wait, I have won a couple of masters district crit championships, but I am NO GOOD in any event that has a hill in it!
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What is it about Fuji and publishing torque specs? I can find nothing on the Track Elite or my Norcom Straight 1.3 on the internet. Anyone know the correct torque spec for the 5mm bolt on the top-back tube that secures the seat post? It can't be that much, given the mechanism inside. I torqued mine to 3nm and it seems to be holding fine.
But, seriously, do these bike have manuals with any torque specs?
But, seriously, do these bike have manuals with any torque specs?
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8-10nm? But this is not a seat post clamp. Seriously, I set this even at 2nm and put all my weight on the seat and it did not budge. I think it's using a mechanism inside that doesn't require massive torque.
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Page 22 has torque rec's
Page 22 has torque rec's
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I'll have to look at my notebook at home. It's either 4nm or 5.5nm, depending on which bolt size that is. I'm pretty sure it's 5.5
~1year and no slipping yet (with grip paste as well fwiw) - I'm 160-170lbs, and as always ymmv.
~1year and no slipping yet (with grip paste as well fwiw) - I'm 160-170lbs, and as always ymmv.
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Right, very odd, and good question. I'm guessing it is one of the lower end 4mm values, either 4mn or 5.5. So I can basically use 3 and bear all my weight on it, 169lbs with no movement, so I will defer to 4mn.
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Yup, we are on the level here and came to the same conclusion :-) I weight the same.
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Another thread derail.
All of this talk of a new bike has the effect, as it always does, of causing me to think about (lust after) a new bike. Logic dictates (yes, I am sort of a Trekkie) that my Giant Omnium is a PERFECTLY FINE track bike, in any respect as it relates to me. And, that frame is still raced at very high levels out there (the current W65+ 500 TT WR holder, Jan P., rode one in the record, and still rides it). However, I have just fallen in love (lust, similar) with the Bobby's Dixie Flyer. I see them often, there are a lot of them around Hellyer. Must. Resist. Right?
All of this talk of a new bike has the effect, as it always does, of causing me to think about (lust after) a new bike. Logic dictates (yes, I am sort of a Trekkie) that my Giant Omnium is a PERFECTLY FINE track bike, in any respect as it relates to me. And, that frame is still raced at very high levels out there (the current W65+ 500 TT WR holder, Jan P., rode one in the record, and still rides it). However, I have just fallen in love (lust, similar) with the Bobby's Dixie Flyer. I see them often, there are a lot of them around Hellyer. Must. Resist. Right?
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Sit on it for two months and if you still have the same amount of lust for it, figure out if it's monetarily justifiable.
That being said, they're relatively cheap for a decent geometry'd frame, and if you don't like it, you probably won't take a massive dive in the used market.
That being said, they're relatively cheap for a decent geometry'd frame, and if you don't like it, you probably won't take a massive dive in the used market.
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In general I've found that by the time I post about should I or shouldn't I when it comes to a bike... it's already decided
I think that bike looks sweet as well.
I think that bike looks sweet as well.
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Like I said, there's not a damn thing wrong with my Giant.
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