Fuel for 25 mile ride?
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On any ride i always bring 64oz of fluids. I dont always drink all but i bring it regardless. My last ride at 14mi, i barely drank half of 1 but on 20+mi, i almost wish i had room for 3 bottles!
YMMV.
YMMV.
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It should come as no surprise. That rule is part of a religion and a kind of dedication to training that would have one following other rules as well, rules that would prevent it from being a problem. But this is not the Velominati forum, it's the Road Cycling forum, and the majority of road cyclists are heathen as far as that's concerned. But that doesn't mean they wouldn't have any other guidelines to go by. A person can be fit and healthy without being obsessed.
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25 miles is about a 90 minute ride. If that ride is after a meal then your right, but if its before a meal he'll need something.
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It should come as no surprise. That rule is part of a religion and a kind of dedication to training that would have one following other rules as well, rules that would prevent it from being a problem. But this is not the Velominati forum, it's the Road Cycling forum, and the majority of road cyclists are heathen as far as that's concerned. But that doesn't mean they wouldn't have any other guidelines to go by. A person can be fit and healthy without being obsessed.
And what's best about 'The Rules' is how they tow the line between reasonable and absolutely nuts, which is entirely the point to those of us who are enthusiastic Regular Joes, even going so far as spending our time on a forum like this! All a little nuts, but all in good fun.
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I posted earlier today and wanted to repeat that I really think anyone in good enough shape to consider riding for an hour, can and should go out fasted and with only water (or wait an hour after eating a light meal before riding).
Most cyclist could do a two hour ride (water only) at speed, but I would never recommend that for a beginner, but one hour, yes.
Most cyclist could do a two hour ride (water only) at speed, but I would never recommend that for a beginner, but one hour, yes.
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The human body is amazing. It will find its energy and stabalize its blood sugar as needed..without food. Takes so long for it to digest to make a difference, he/she going to be home before he/she gets the benefit!
You think hunter/gatherers were like "oh man, I need a pre workout meal before I go run into the wilderness to catch dinner" LOL. And. BTW, humans use energy VERY efficiently on a bicycle.
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Eating something on a 25 mile ride isn't needed for the ride, however eating half an energy bar on that ride may help that cyclist not destroy some food when they get back from that ride.
This isn't really all that complicated, but the nutritional requirements do go up as the mileage and time increase. For me, a 25 mile ride is an after work ride during the week and I can get by without eating anything special for that ride. I never see anybody eating anything on a 25 mile ride, but on 60 mile rides I do.
When it comes to water, drink as much as you want. I figure it is better to carry more than needed.
This isn't really all that complicated, but the nutritional requirements do go up as the mileage and time increase. For me, a 25 mile ride is an after work ride during the week and I can get by without eating anything special for that ride. I never see anybody eating anything on a 25 mile ride, but on 60 mile rides I do.
When it comes to water, drink as much as you want. I figure it is better to carry more than needed.
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everyone is different, for me and cycling i need water, i have a sinus problem and i breathe through my mouth with aerobic activity. at work i've conditioned myself to drink about 8 to 12 oz of water an hour. i'm a welder it's hot, i sweat a lot. 8 hour shift wearing heavy clothing, i sweet and i drink a lot. i'm new to cycling a 16 mph pace for 30 miles is a killer for me so i drink a lot. when i ride my dirt bike which i've been doing for 40 years i don't need as much water, why i know my body and my pace and i've trained to work within those perimeters. with bicycling i'm still learning and i get tired. perhaps in a few months i'l be fit enough on the bicycle to not need so much water. also i would rather have water and not need it than to need it and not have it.
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thanks all, sounds like I'll be fine with just water. Here's a few clarifications:
1. I would generally agree that 17-18mph seems like nothing, even to me, and I could ride that speed pretty far on the flats without wearing out. This particular weekly ride starts in that range, takes us down a descent to a valley where we try to take our paceline as fast as we can for about 10-12 miles, keeping it between 23-26mph depending on the terrain/rollers/turns. Then we relax for about 10 minutes before heading up a 5 mile ascent, the last 2.5 of which are about 6-7%. We often try to see who can get to the top first, so it's a bit of a short uphill race. then we generally take it easy for the ride back to where we started. So its the middle section, followed by the main hill, that is the "hard-effort" part.
2. If you mix water, sugar, and salt, it tastes surprisingly like gatorade, and give most of the benefits without extra chemicals. It doesn't taste like ocean water, cuz the sugar tames the salt. (assuming you use the right amounts)
3. Our Temps here have been close to 90F often with high humidity when we ride.
4. I typically ride this at 5pm after a normal noon lunch, drinking water at work, then some fruit around 4pm.
1. I would generally agree that 17-18mph seems like nothing, even to me, and I could ride that speed pretty far on the flats without wearing out. This particular weekly ride starts in that range, takes us down a descent to a valley where we try to take our paceline as fast as we can for about 10-12 miles, keeping it between 23-26mph depending on the terrain/rollers/turns. Then we relax for about 10 minutes before heading up a 5 mile ascent, the last 2.5 of which are about 6-7%. We often try to see who can get to the top first, so it's a bit of a short uphill race. then we generally take it easy for the ride back to where we started. So its the middle section, followed by the main hill, that is the "hard-effort" part.
2. If you mix water, sugar, and salt, it tastes surprisingly like gatorade, and give most of the benefits without extra chemicals. It doesn't taste like ocean water, cuz the sugar tames the salt. (assuming you use the right amounts)
3. Our Temps here have been close to 90F often with high humidity when we ride.
4. I typically ride this at 5pm after a normal noon lunch, drinking water at work, then some fruit around 4pm.
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I remain surprised. Why? Because the OP asked if it is necessary to 'fuel' on a ride of moderate pace (17-18 mph average) and distance (25-mile) that is mostly on flat terrain. The direct answer to that is plainly "no" for the vast majority of cycling enthusiasts. Might that be different for a few? Of course, just like everything else. And if someone is out on a bike for a 'nice bike ride' then good for them, but I'd bet they aren't thinking much about optimal fueling.
And what's best about 'The Rules' is how they tow the line between reasonable and absolutely nuts, which is entirely the point to those of us who are enthusiastic Regular Joes, even going so far as spending our time on a forum like this! All a little nuts, but all in good fun.
And what's best about 'The Rules' is how they tow the line between reasonable and absolutely nuts, which is entirely the point to those of us who are enthusiastic Regular Joes, even going so far as spending our time on a forum like this! All a little nuts, but all in good fun.
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Eating something on a 25 mile ride isn't needed for the ride, however eating half an energy bar on that ride may help that cyclist not destroy some food when they get back from that ride.
This isn't really all that complicated, but the nutritional requirements do go up as the mileage and time increase. For me, a 25 mile ride is an after work ride during the week and I can get by without eating anything special for that ride. I never see anybody eating anything on a 25 mile ride, but on 60 mile rides I do.
When it comes to water, drink as much as you want. I figure it is better to carry more than needed.
This isn't really all that complicated, but the nutritional requirements do go up as the mileage and time increase. For me, a 25 mile ride is an after work ride during the week and I can get by without eating anything special for that ride. I never see anybody eating anything on a 25 mile ride, but on 60 mile rides I do.
When it comes to water, drink as much as you want. I figure it is better to carry more than needed.
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While I've got you online, what would be your medical opinion of drinking 64 fluid ounces in 15 miles, like someone mentioned? Or something like that. Flirting with renal failure? Or OK if you're flushing the system?
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I thought that was to measure the negative logarithm of the molar ionic concentration, ph balance, or I guess some other concentration? That's pretty hard core, getting close to the line on failure, but I guess what's the point of being a Doctor if you don't use that knowledge?
While I've got you online, what would be your medical opinion of drinking 64 fluid ounces in 15 miles minutes, like someone mentioned? Or something like that. Flirting with renal failure? Or OK if you're flushing the system?
While I've got you online, what would be your medical opinion of drinking 64 fluid ounces in 15 miles minutes, like someone mentioned? Or something like that. Flirting with renal failure? Or OK if you're flushing the system?
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(assuming you use the right amounts)
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It depends on the person and their fitness level as to how much to eat, if anything at all. I have dropped 31 pounds since June 1st. Part of my routine has been riding fasted. The most I have done is 70 miles, with 3,800 ft of climbing. I averaged 17.7, and would've averaged more, but I was riding with a newer rider and had to slow down or him at times. I can honestly say that I felt great the entire ride as far as my energy level was concerned.
This method didn't work on Labor Day weekend when I did a century@ 21.1 mph. It was mostly flat, but the heat and pace broke me and by the time I was feeling like crap, it was too late. I started eating on some snacks I had brought along, but it didn't do much good at that point. I finished the ride, but it wasn't pretty. I learned my lesson on that one.
This method didn't work on Labor Day weekend when I did a century@ 21.1 mph. It was mostly flat, but the heat and pace broke me and by the time I was feeling like crap, it was too late. I started eating on some snacks I had brought along, but it didn't do much good at that point. I finished the ride, but it wasn't pretty. I learned my lesson on that one.
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I thought that was to measure the negative logarithm of the molar ionic concentration, ph balance, or I guess some other concentration? That's pretty hard core, getting close to the line on failure, but I guess what's the point of being a Doctor if you don't use that knowledge?
While I've got you online, what would be your medical opinion of drinking 64 fluid ounces in 15 miles minutes, like someone mentioned? Or something like that. Flirting with renal failure? Or OK if you're flushing the system?
While I've got you online, what would be your medical opinion of drinking 64 fluid ounces in 15 miles minutes, like someone mentioned? Or something like that. Flirting with renal failure? Or OK if you're flushing the system?
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I agree. My wife use to be an adherent. 60 oz. per day come hell or high water, pun intended. I explained that 60 oz. was a generalization for 'all' fluid intake from all sources throughout the day.
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gotta get the lemmings to buy water at exorbitant prices that most likely came from some municipal water source...not a glacier or spring.
biggest scam going...
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A fat adapted person needs nothing. The OP is most likely not fat adapted.
Internet search says stored glycogen lasts from 1-4 hours depending on the person, diet etc. For a cyclist - it is at the low end. That the OP asked I'd guess a little simple carbs might be good for them. It won't hurt.
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Adam Conover says it best: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwdqFHBaPwY