Elvo

The city proposes to block this (where the cyclist is) off...



With this:

rseeker

Rationale?

skidder

Without knowing anything more than what's posted in the picture, I'd say that's probably to prevent vehicle (cars and trucks) from driving through there. The delineator layout looks easy enough for a bicycle to get through (yeah, you have to slow down, no biggie if it was a regular ride for me), and no different than what's at the entrances to the trails along the local rivers trails (SGRT, L.A.R.T near Long Beach, some sections of the SART)..

Elvo

Put an end to this:

DrIsotope

I don't think it would be too difficult to get a bike in between bollards spaced 5 feet apart. The bollards on one of the local MUPs here are less than 3' apart, and at an angle to the trail, so they seem even closer.

Looks to me like they're just making it impossible for cars to use. If they wanted to stop bikes, they'd tear the pavement out and put in more grass.

rseeker

Thanks for explaining.

diphthong

fine with me. the rose bowl is a civic treasure. there are always oodles of people walking, running, cycling, etc around it unless there's a event on. place is a firkin exercise magnet.
looks like the changes will benefit everyone that isn't a motorist. people riding straight bar mtb's may have an issue but they'll adapt and overcome.

trailangel

Would keep the cars, trucks and the Tue.-and Thurs. peloton from using that lane.
A lone biker might make it through.

skidder

See page 15 of 34 of the attachment from a recent agenda of the City's Public Safety Committee. Its not intended to put up obstacles to bicycling, but to help enhance the loop road for all recreational uses by keeping southbound Rosemont vehicles out of the 'merging' lane so they have to go to the Seco corner, stop, then make a right turn. The deliniators are spaced to prevent vehicles from going through, but allow bicycle riders and pedestrians/joggers to use it. And I'm pretty sure the City is not focused on 30km/hr bicycle groups, but others riding bicycles at a more leisurely pace for a little exercise.

https://ww5.cityofpasadena.net/commi...ar-Meeting.pdf

Look at the video at about 17:10 when they go through the curve and it looks like some of the riders come close to getting hit by the gray sedan. I'll bet the same thing happens right now when cars use that curve to go westbound on Seco and it results in an occasional fender-bender accident.

trailangel

video at 17:10 is the corner of Seco and West Dr.
16:25 is the corner of Seco and Rosemont where the proposed changes are to take place.
My main gripe about this peloton is they cross the double yellow constantly....likes it's their own personal raceway.

diphthong

that was my impression as well. i could be totally wrong as usual tho.

Elvo

furiousferret

I've never done that ride, do you only go through it once or several times?

logical

I would assume 10 times since its 10 laps. Being in LA Ive never done the ride but it looks like a lot of fun. Not sure I could keep up though

skidder

Thanks for the clarification. Maybe they should consider bollards/deliniators at both intersections? Rosemont/Seco and Seco/West? Better than someone coming out of the corner at a good speed and colliding with a vehicle.

Elvo

Group usually does 8-10 laps depending on the sunset time. Keep in mind you need to average ~25 mph to keep up with the breakaway group.

furiousferret

That's going to kill the ride; even if you neutralize it eventually someone is going to get hurt. I hit one of those plastic pole barriers once on Raincross; when you're in the pack and people dodge something last second and dont call it out you're going to get hit.

Elvo

Yep: Pasadena Now » City Officials Pleased With New Rose Bowl Loop Traffic Safety Test | Pasadena California, Hotels,CA Real Estate,Restaurants,City Guide... - Pasadena.com

That turn is typically taken at 30+ mph

logical

lol. Pleased. As one of the riders hits one of the cones during the video.

DrIsotope

Speaking as an almost exclusively solo rider, I don't have a problem with the city's solution at all. If people want to continue to group up and ride at crit racing speeds on open public roads, they're gonna have to find somewhere else to do it. I could still go around that corner full o' cones at 25mph no problem. Because I don't need a pack to follow.

furiousferret

We're running out of places to do that; its hard to find places for hammerfests out here but in a busy area like Pasadena its close to impossible.

trailangel

https://www.cicle.org/city-of-pasade...-at-rose-bowl/
My take on this...maybe I don't know all the facts...but from reading the meeting pdf in post #9 , appears the city would like the peloton to get a permit, insurance, and declare this as a formal event with hired cops. Then they would probably remove the stanchions at this corner, and have other cops doing traffic control all around the 3 mile loop.
As I say I don't know if they already have permit and insurance... some riders might know. I don't participate in this, but I do ride through there once or twice a week.
Peloton makes it unsafe for the casual rider. Casual riders need to drift over to the pedestrian area. Also have kids and dog walkers there. peloton always drifts into this area as well... including crossing double yellow.
You wanna race train, go to a crit track. Take it off the streets.

Tycho Brahe 

I simply do not understand the allure of going around in circles in a large group.

diphthong

^just speculating that you're not a huge nascar fan either...i'm not big on it either...perhaps the small area in question will become a neutral/regrouping zone and the laps will be run/timed/raced differently and with smaller groups.
i'm sure those that are adversely affected will adapt, move on or petition the powers that be to return things to as they were.

furiousferret

Yeah, those don't exist. The only real 'crit track' is El Dorado in Long Beach, but even that isn't dedicated to bikes.

Even the areas that are capable of hosting such a thing are used for other purposes, or they're private and either won't allow the activity or are too expensive. I don't live near Pasadena so I'm trying to be unbiased, but as someone who does those rides on occasion there are very few areas with the ideal conditions.