Ger482

my old Claude Butler is back after many years.Bought it around 1970 it was stripped and smashed up.I bought several second hand parts and got it back on the road, what a great bike it has been.I read the great article here on 27" tires and thought I would by the Panaracer pasela road tire 27" by 1 1/8 would this be a good fit? I also need a front derailleur any ideas would be appreciated. I intend to do a tear down and rebuild to get it back in shape.Thanks for any input.
pictures here replace xx with tt
hxxps://filebin.net/hp95jmy3a92ybylk

juvela

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peecha assistenza -

album of six images of the cycle:

https://filebin.net/hp95jmy3a92ybylk


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Ger482

thank you juvela

3speedslow

Thank You for bringing us your Butler!

Would like to know more about it.

Ger482

Ger482

bought it for 20 dollars when I was 13 or so, from a rich kid that abused it . sold my Torpado that had a lot of miles and a fork problem bought from Baggio cycle and bought the parts to get her going.I was riding this bike on all the weekend tours from Baggio cycle in Montreal .we went to the eastern townships, laurentians and ,northern New York.lots of fun. many years in the saddle and could never part with the bicycle I'm now 66 years old.time to bike again.!!

3speedslow

Good on ya! I am 60 and have never stopped cycling. Enjoying life as a messenger now since being “retired”.

Keep us up to snuff on your bike and riding adventures.

Ger482

well I was riding for a couple of weeks and my 50 year old back tire bulged ,still got me home .buying new tires tomorrow Panaracer pasela road tire 27" by 1 1/8 for 24.95 cdn each. will get a patch kit and new tubes. what tubes would you recommend . size etc thanks for the help

JJScaliger

Cool bike!

Ger482

thanks only people that ride could understand how you connect to a bike after so many years.

KenNC

That is a very nice looking, and classic, bike! Regarding a front derailleur, I was going to suggest a Shimano 600 "arabesque" to match the rear derailleur. HOWEVER, I can't quite see in the photos what is going on with a cable guide or a cable housing stop for the front derailleur. I see the brazed on cable guide for the rear derailleur, but don't see anything on the other side. There is a spot in the left side photo, on the lower left side of the down, tube that might be a cable housing stop, or a paint chip, I can't quite tell. If there IS a cable housing stop on the frame, then I'd suggest an arabesque WITH a corresponding housing stop, like this one: VeloBase.com - Component: Shimano FD-6200, 600EX Arabesque

And here is one on eBay :https://www.ebay.com/itm/Shimano-600...AAAOSwhe9d6sgG

But this derailleur came in two versions, so be careful to NOT get the version WITHOUT the housing stop, like this one: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Shimano-600...sAAOSw6Gte3IIx

A Shimano Titlist like this might be a good alternative too: VeloBase.com - Component: Shimano EB-200, Titlist

If the cable guide or stop is missing, then probably easy to add a clamp on guide....

You DEFINITELY want to put in new tubes when you change the tires, and you will probably need rubber rim strips as well, probably something like these: https://www.ebay.com/itm/27-INCH-BIC...YAAMXQQQZR0cuw

Again great bike, good luck, post a picture after the refurb!

juvela

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enlarged the heck out of the non-drive side image and was able to determine there is a housing stop there so he is all set for a front mech which has a housing stop

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frame's lug pattern is Prugnat 62/d. fork crown is Vagner model DP+.

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as you search for parts you might wish to look also for a dustcap for your Lyotard model Faucheux 15 pedals.

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notice cycle has Universal brake calipers paired with Weinmann brake levers and hangers; no doubt lots of history there!

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all best wishes with it!

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Ger482

thank you KenNC I tried to post earlier but you can't post more than 5 times in a day as a newbie. I picked up the tubes tires and rim strips today. I had to drive about 40 miles to get it all but it was worth it. the tires were only 24.95 canadian that is about 15.75 u.s. so a good deal. I will begin the tear down tomorrow and touch up the paint as I want to keep it as original as possible. will be on the lookout for the derailleur.. thanks juvela for the information, (how do you know this stuff?}) thanks again guys

Ger482

got the derailleur today for 38 .cdn or 23 u.s. all in delivered.

Ger482

need a little advice on my cassette removal. before I chase down the tool I need I thought I should ask the experts. what is upsetting here is I had a bag with all my cycle tools in it and my better half threw it away several years ago without asking me if it was of any value. I took a box of her most precious possessions from her childhood and hid it in the basement. when she came to me frantically asking what happened to it I said I may have thrown it out while cleaning the attic.I returned it to her. lesson learned.here is a picture of the cassette
change xx to tt sorry I can't post pictures yet.
hxxps://filebin.net/album/twj0i4wkji1jyxk7

juvela

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when looking for a remover make sure to select one which features a guide ring so that the remover cannot shift under load damaging the removal ears. do not accept one which does not have a guide ring. brands include Campag, Dura-Ace, Bicycle Research, Park,
VAR and others.




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terminolgy note -

what you have there on the rear hub could be termed a gear block or a freewheel. a cassette is another sort of beastie.

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all best wishes with it!

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Ger482

thanks for the help juvela.I think it might be good idea to find someone here in Toronto that has the tools to get this done. I will be cleaning and touching up the frame this week along with cleaning and repacking the pedals and headset.

3speedslow

Definitely get them to use one with a guide ring!

Ger482

do you think either of these will do the job of freewheel removal?


hxxps://www.banggood.com/BIKIGHT-Bike-Repair-Tool-Kit-Chain-RemovalFreewheel-Chain-WhipBracket-RemoverFreewheel-Cycling-p-1372622.html?rmmds=search&ID=49510&cur_warehouse=CN

hxxps://www.banggood.com/BIKIGHT-Bicycle-Crank-Chain-Axis-Extractor-Removal-Repair-Tool-Kit-p-1164924.html?rmmds=search&cur_warehouse=CN

juvela

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the kit shown in the first link does not contain a gear block remover which will fit your example

https://www.banggood.com/BIKIGHT-Bik...r_warehouse=CN

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https://www.banggood.com/BIKIGHT-Bic...r_warehouse=CN

nor does the kit shown in the second link

both kits look like an excellent value for the home mechanic. they just do not have the one piece you require for this job...

one or both kits might merit purchase if you would wish to build back up your bicycle tool collection.

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spanner twisting tip -

there is no point in repacking the left pedal until such time as you have secured a replacement dust cap for it.

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2380057.m570.l1313.TR3.TRC1.A0.H0.Xlyotard+pedal+dust+cap.TRS0&_nkw=lyotar d+pedal+dust+cap&_sacat=0

https://www.ebay.fr/itm/Cache-poussiere-Pedale-LYOTARD-French-Pedals-LYOTARD-cap-dust-old-bike-1960/174160675117?hash=item288cc9012d:g:OVsAAOSwx0teI0PL

https://www.ebay.fr/itm/LYOTARD-Pedal-Dust-Cap-Pair-Screw-Type-bouchon-anti-poussiere-caches-pedales/203006997858?hash=item2f4428f562:g:fEAAAOSw7HperAIP

https://www.ebay.fr/itm/Capuchons-anti-poussiere-pour-pedales-LYOTARD/124186029531?hash=item1cea106ddb:g:RbsAAOSwPKVevCp9

here is your pedal -

https://www.ebay.fr/itm/LYOTARD-15S-VINTAGE-PEDALES-POUR-VELO-COURSE-ANCIEN-BICYCLE-PEDALS-ROAD-RACING/174296168476?hash=item2894dc781c:g:AZQAAOSwD6FezVLq

tip -

you could place a wanted notice here at the forum. there may well be a member who has a hopelessly damaged lyotard pedal which still has its dust cap.

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Ger482

does anyone know the gear block remover part number .there are at least 10 out there. maybe a link please. thank you

juvela

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https://shop.ra-co.com/en/cyclus-too...ur-720069.html

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Ger482

you are very kind to take the time to help me ...thank you

desconhecido 

Oh, boy. There were at least three variants of two prong tools. I know this because I have a tool for the old Suntour freewheels and I have a couple of those and it fits fine and works well even though it doesn't have a ring. If you tried one of these tools on a Suntour, you would see why -- the outside diameter of the two prongs is a fit to the diamater of the Suntour notches and it can't slip if properly held in place. I also have an old Caimi freewheel which, I believe is the same as the Regina and Everest freewheels. The tool for the Suntour is a sloppy fit and would not be recommended. All I will say is that it is possible to remove one of those freewheels with a tool designed for the Suntour freewheels, but it's a sloppy fit and it would seem that failure and damage to the freewheel notches would be likely. Then there is another design that I encountered sometime in my unrecallable past. I know this because my Suntour tool has been ground to fit something else. I have a vague recollection of grinding it, but I don't recall when or what freewheel I was attacking.

Trying to find an answer to your question I found this blog post . Also, I found this ad for a tool that might work perfectly. The prongs have two levels, the inner of which should be the same diameter as the lesser inside diameter of the freewheel's fitting. It should secure itself by matching the inside diameter rather than the outside, as would be the case with the Bicycle Research tool. I'm almost tempted to buy one just to find out.

juvela

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You mention purchasing the bicycle used about 1970.

Am thinking that it looks like it might have been manufactured during the mid-1960's.

This would make it a Holdsworthy product.

In case you are interested there is a serial number database here for Claud Butler, Freddie Grubb and Holdsworth badged cycles:

Frame Serial Numbers

You may wish explore it to figure out where your bicycle fits in...


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Ger482