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Old 10-19-17, 11:35 PM
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Wrong choice of words yes, I'd argue the geo suggests it's more sprint than all around, carbon being very roady in its geo
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Can a normal human buy an FES?
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Old 10-20-17, 04:59 AM
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I've got the previous generation Ridley alloy track bike, the Oval and I think it had the same geo as their Cross bike - the fork has a little less rake, but it has a really tall front end for a track bike, even among other entry-level and mid-range bikes.
The thing is stiff though, I'm really impressed by how it rides. Just my 2c
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I've got the previous generation Ridley alloy track bike, the Oval and I think it had the same geo as their Cross bike - the fork has a little less rake, but it has a really tall front end for a track bike, even among other entry-level and mid-range bikes.
The thing is stiff though, I'm really impressed by how it rides. Just my 2c
That would most likely have been intended as a grass track bike, similar to the Dolan. The Arena 7005/alloy/whatever they call it now is very low at the front end. My 57cm (now given as 61 I think) has a 12cm headtube and given stack of about 50cm. Quite long reach, very low front.
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Felt has redone their track offerings and they look very attractive. They did this a while back but I don't recall it being mentioned here.

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- The TA FRD is the Olympic bike with the left-side-drive cranks. Comes complete with 2 wheel sets, 2 crank sets, lots of chainrings, power meter, travel hard case, etc... Made custom to order like a suit. You submit your measurements (and sign a waiver in case the fit is screwed up, hahaha). $25,999USD
- The TK1 now comes as a complete bike with 808-style wheels, Scattos, and ROTOR cranks and with a normal fork (you can put a normal fork on any TK1). Size 60 offered. Complete only, no frame/fork option. $5000USD
- The TK FRD is like the old TK1 and has the bayonet fork (not to be confused with the TA FRD). I *think* the carbon is different, but not sure. Comes as a frame/fork only. Size 60 offered. $4000USD.
- The TK2 is aluminum, comes in large sizes, compete with Ellipse wheels and SRAM Omnium cranks. $2000 USD
- The TK1 is an entry level offering with solid generic equipment choices. $1000USD


FIVE different track bikes/frames from entry level to Olympic level. Not bad!
yeah, the separation of the TK1 and the TK FRD is interesting. a couple years ago it was just, TK1 complete (with bayonet) or TK1 frameset (with standard fork). either way - i've always liked the look of the TK1 with the standard fork.
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The Felt lineup looks the same to me as it has all year, albeit with some higher prices. I think the TK2 was $1900 earlier this year with the same spec.
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The Felt lineup looks the same to me as it has all year, albeit with some higher prices. I think the TK2 was $1900 earlier this year with the same spec.
Yeah it's been that way for a while (a year or more?). I guess my point is that it hadn't been mentioned here in this thread. So, I thought it deserved being mentioned.

The URL path reads "2016".
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Originally Posted by carleton View Post
Felt has redone their track offerings and they look very attractive. They did this a while back but I don't recall it being mentioned here.

Track - Felt Bicycles

- The TA FRD is the Olympic bike with the left-side-drive cranks. Comes complete with 2 wheel sets, 2 crank sets, lots of chainrings, power meter, travel hard case, etc... Made custom to order like a suit. You submit your measurements (and sign a waiver in case the fit is screwed up, hahaha). $25,999USD
- The TK1 now comes as a complete bike with 808-style wheels, Scattos, and ROTOR cranks and with a normal fork (you can put a normal fork on any TK1). Size 60 offered. Complete only, no frame/fork option. $5000USD
- The TK FRD is like the old TK1 and has the bayonet fork (not to be confused with the TA FRD). I *think* the carbon is different, but not sure. Comes as a frame/fork only. Size 60 offered. $4000USD.
- The TK2 is aluminum, comes in large sizes, compete with Ellipse wheels and SRAM Omnium cranks. $2000 USD
- The TK1 is an entry level offering with solid generic equipment choices. $1000USD


FIVE different track bikes/frames from entry level to Olympic level. Not bad!
This Track lineup has been like this since 2016 except for the TA FRD. Afaik both TK1 and TK FRD frame are made with textreme and same carbon (UHC advanced in Felt marketing speak) and actually the TK1 might have a more recent layup to make it stiffer.
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Old 10-20-17, 10:02 PM
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This Track lineup has been like this since 2016 except for the TA FRD. Afaik both TK1 and TK FRD frame are made with textreme and same carbon (UHC advanced in Felt marketing speak) and actually the TK1 might have a more recent layup to make it stiffer.
Thanks for the info!
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Old 10-21-17, 04:14 AM
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Pierrej, that's the one. I bought it for the reach in my size which is bang on, and just use a deep Nitto bar. Wasn't till I rolled around on a little bit on a cyclocross bike and felt weirdly familiar that I recalled the shared geo.
If they did what I suspect, instead of just slapping track ends on their TT bike, they thought outside the square a bit and slapped track ends on their cross bike, it ends up being a heap more versatile that a TT frame.
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Can a normal human buy an FES?
You can enquire, so maybe?
Institut für Forschung und Entwicklung von Sportgeräten (FES)

Watching the IP at the euros I've always been amazed at how thin the FES pursuit bike is. They make the bike and wheels to work best together and they look nothing like any other manufacturers.

Handlebars would be cool to try if they worked with anything other than the FES bayonet
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Old 10-22-17, 12:14 AM
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You can enquire, so maybe?
Institut für Forschung und Entwicklung von Sportgeräten (FES)

Watching the IP at the euros I've always been amazed at how thin the FES pursuit bike is. They make the bike and wheels to work best together and they look nothing like any other manufacturers.

Handlebars would be cool to try if they worked with anything other than the FES bayonet
As you probably know, the UCI made a rule that all equipment that's used in events must be made available for public sale within 1 year of use. I suspect this is because of companies/teams like FES and Team GB would have big budgets and engineering teams making things that were simply on another level from smaller countries.

The UCI coudn't go all NJS on everyone, so they simply said that the riders should be using commercially available gear and that gear must be approved by the UCI (hence the UCI sticker program).

So, as a way to just barely comply, FES, Team GB, Felt all have "inquiry" pages for their super bikes with outrageous prices that they know no one would pay to keep competitors from buying, say, a Team GB super bike and cutting it up to see and copy it the way companies buy a $1,000 Louis Vuitton bag in order to cut it apart and make patters to copy and sell it.

That way, they can say, "It's for sale. You'll pay through the nose and likely help finance our next technological leap. But, it's for sale."
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Old 10-23-17, 09:13 AM
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Originally Posted by carleton View Post
Felt has redone their track offerings and they look very attractive. They did this a while back but I don't recall it being mentioned here.

Track - Felt Bicycles

- The TA FRD is the Olympic bike with the left-side-drive cranks. Comes complete with 2 wheel sets, 2 crank sets, lots of chainrings, power meter, travel hard case, etc... Made custom to order like a suit. You submit your measurements (and sign a waiver in case the fit is screwed up, hahaha). $25,999USD
- The TK1 now comes as a complete bike with 808-style wheels, Scattos, and ROTOR cranks and with a normal fork (you can put a normal fork on any TK1). Size 60 offered. Complete only, no frame/fork option. $5000USD
- The TK FRD is like the old TK1 and has the bayonet fork (not to be confused with the TA FRD). I *think* the carbon is different, but not sure. Comes as a frame/fork only. Size 60 offered. $4000USD.
- The TK2 is aluminum, comes in large sizes, compete with Ellipse wheels and SRAM Omnium cranks. $2000 USD
- The TK1 is an entry level offering with solid generic equipment choices. $1000USD


FIVE different track bikes/frames from entry level to Olympic level. Not bad!
I just wanted to point out how dissapointed I was in my fellow master's racers at worlds in LA last week. Not a single Felt TA FRD! :-) I expected to see at least two or three. I knew at least one guy who bought an original Lotus for a similar price back in the '90s.

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Old 10-23-17, 07:50 PM
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The TA FRD is the Olympic bike with the left-side-drive cranks. Comes complete with 2 wheel sets, 2 crank sets...........................
I wonder if this bike uses narrower hubs and bottom bracket than standard (hence the provision of dual parts).
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Old 10-23-17, 10:08 PM
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Has Graeme Obree been proven right about the narrower bottom bracket thing?

The GT Superbikes also had a narrow bottom bracket.



Also, no seat tubes, no top tube, carbon chainring...
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Seatstays. No seatstays.
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According to second hand (dubious) scuttlebutt, these things were terrible to ride and not even terribly fast.
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Reportedly; they were flex and didn't handle that well because of that and the small front wheel. As far as aerodynamics were concerned, they were pretty quick. Many of today's modern bikes are just starting to approach the cda of the frames used in that era.
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Old 10-24-17, 07:17 AM
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I wonder if this bike uses narrower hubs and bottom bracket than standard (hence the provision of dual parts).
Yes. It does use narrower hubs, which is why they provide two wheelsets, as no other hubs on the market will fit the bike. Not sure about the BB.


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According to second hand (dubious) scuttlebutt, these things were terrible to ride and not even terribly fast.
Rebecca Twig and Chris Carmichael reportedly had a falling out over the bike, which she claimed was slower and didn't fit well. The row resulted in her leaving the 96 Olympics early and ultimately concluded her cycling career.
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Old 10-24-17, 12:19 PM
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Vande Velde had good things to say about it in this article: https://cyclingtips.com/2016/08/the-...e-engineering/

I'm surprised no big teams have tried 650c F&R bikes for Team Pursuit in recent years. They are allowed under current rules and would allow for riding closer together like the 24" front on the GT super bike.
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Let's bump this thread with a very new and very viable contender: Fifty Point One Racing



It's already got some nice palmarès:


This frame pretty much ticks all of the boxes for those at the advanced club or junior level into international racing. It even has UCI certification already.

Read more about the story: Fifty Point One Racing

Buy this for $2,000 (including custom paint color, Thomson stem and seatpost), then use the rest of the money you save and buy wheels, entry fees, and travel expenses and "Ride lots."
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I swear Carleton isn't on the payroll. Although I tend to agree with this assessment.

Don't forget it comes with the Chris King, too - life's too short for crappy headsets, even if you only plan to turn left and not very much at that.
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ifi were in the market for a new track bike, that'd be a no-brainer. great-looking product, totally reasonable price, and wow - tons of options on fit.
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Specialized is back with a new version of their langster pro now called the Allez Sprint Track Frameset

The frameset is based on road Allez Sprint but with decently long track dropout and a BSA bottom bracket instead of the BB30 used on the road Allez Sprint.

The Red hook ltd edition is available in USA, the white frameset is available in USA & Canada. The geometry are quite standard. Just a little more aggressive/longer than the road Allez Sprint or Tarmac
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I've wondered when Spec. was going to do that. The BB-drop is still pretty large though - 59mm.
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