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Panaracer Gravel King, World's Most Sadistic Tire?

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Panaracer Gravel King, World's Most Sadistic Tire?

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Old 02-08-19, 09:41 PM
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+1. This is the single biggest lesson I’ve learned about tire mounting problems, particularly on tubeless compatible rims (never had a major problem on non-tubeless tires/rims ).


Same here my tubeless rims are a SOB to mount tires on especially since I use tubes. I purchased another wheelset for my mountain bike that had regular old fashion clincher rims now changing tires is easy. So a flat in BFE will be a snap. Luckily in off road nowhere in Big Bend NP I never had a flat I would have manage but it would be a bloody finger endeavor. I know go tubeless but I don’t want to mess with it plus my MTB can sit for weeks as I mostly ride my gravel bike these days. When the MTB bug hits me, I hit some trails to mix it up and want rims that tires can easily be mounted to.
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Old 02-09-19, 05:02 AM
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For motorcycle tires I use dish soap mixed with water applied with an old paint brush. Probably about the same thing as bubble juice. Can't recall using it for a bike tire, but I'm sure it would work the same.
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Old 02-09-19, 06:09 AM
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I tried to mount the 32 mm SKs on Sun CR 18s with tubes. I couldn’t do it - first time in my life to fail to get a tire on a wheel. I finally got them to fit on Mavic Open Sports using soapy water, Pedro’s steel reinforced levers, and every other technique I coulf find. Then had a flat, probably due too overly aggressive use of the tire levers. They went on easier the second time and have worked fine since.
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I am glad I am not the only one to have adventures mounting these tires. I ended up mounting them sans tubes and leaving them for a couple of weeks. Then came back and dismounted to install tubes. They were a bit easier but a tire jack was used. I thought they were only bears to mount on older 700c rims. So they are a PITA on newer rims? Seems all the new "hot tires" are a PITA to mount. I have recently mounted Vittorias and Specialized Turbo Cotton with similar efforts involved. I did try using tubeless tape on the Vittorias and cannot say it made much difference.
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Old 02-12-19, 08:42 AM
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I have the same experience and the same frustration. Your picture makes it clear – its the rim bed that is preventing you from mounting the tires.
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I guess I will wait for the Kool Stop, but it seems like this tire is just too small. Nothing doing:
I’ve got the exact same problem with some schwalbe’s (35mm) There is just know way they are going on some of my older wheels without breaking something. Well, I’ve broken about 7 pedro levers. It depends a lot on the wheel. I think with newer style wheels with a deep gutter running in the center of the wheel they will mount fine. But on a wheel more than a couple of years old – with a shallow rim bed – it just isn’t going to happen for me.

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They absolutely require a Kool-Stop tire jack to install, in any size. I've tried a couple 32s in both SK and file tread as well as 43.
I'm a huge fan of the tires. Been on a set of 32s in a file tread for a year for commuting, gravel, and fast club rides. Only flatted once with a snakebite because I was playing around with low tire pressure. Once that was dialed, it's been smooth sailing.
I'm sure they won't handle goat heads, not much can I hear. It's probably worthwhile to run a tube with a removable core and add some Stan's sealant. Then you can have your supple ride with no headaches.
How do you get a snake bite on a tubeless tire? Or are you running tubes?
FYI, sealant doesn’t protect against snake bites. I’ve learned the hard way. But the centrifugal force of when riding keeps the sealant away from the snake bite area.
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Velox is the issue 100%. I say this as someone who struggled with Velox wrapped rims and modern tires for years until I finally learned what was going on. Get some tubeless tape or even a cheap plastic rim strip and it'll be much easier.

Velox is at least 5x the thickness of Stan's tape and can make it extremely difficult to mount modern tire/rim combinations.
Yeah I love Velox but I think Stans may be the answer. I've also seen a few threads suggesting that there are industrial tape alternatives that will do the job at a lower price. No experience with this but some say it does the job,

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00C0Z21PK...rum-convert-20
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I recently mounted two Gravel King 700x38 tires on Vision Team 30 wheels with no tools or lube. They went on very easily, and I’m not an expert. The rim tape is whatever came on the wheels.
ETA the wheels are “tubeless ready”, but I’m running tubes

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Update: I got some of the Panaracer Paselas, also in 700 x 28. Similar mounting issues but I was ready this time with soapy water, and a Kool Stop Tire Jack.

I was peeved initially, when the tires appeared a couple mm too narrow. But since then, I've put the both sets of tires on various bikes, and was happy to see the the Panaracers in 28 mm fit all of my older road bikes that otherwise won't take tires that really are 28 mm.

So the under-sizing of these tires was genius on Panaracer's part, a 28 mm tire for road bikes that normally can't clear 28's.
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...I've put the both sets of tires on various bikes, and was happy to see the the Panaracers in 28 mm fit all of my older road bikes that otherwise won't take tires that really are 28 mm.
I run a bunch of these tires(Gravel King slicks in 700cx28) on a number of vintage-early 2000's bikes. The 28s typcally run 26.5-27mm, Nice tire.
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+1

The 28 mm Gravel Kings even fit on my '88 Cannondale Criterium Series. And that bike has terrible tire clearance too, being designed as a crit frame and all. They admittedly max-out the frame though, I'm never gonna be able to fit anything wider on this bike.


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I was able to fit 650bX47 GK's on Easton rims without too much trouble. Had to preset one bead with a tube to get them set up tubeless but that happens with about half the tires I install.
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Old 03-08-19, 12:11 PM
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This thread makes me feel better about myself lol. Last year i was having a hell of a time getting 700x28 gravel kings mounted up and it was mt first time messing with road tires and found myself wondering how the hell people make it look so effortless in the middle of a ride or race.
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Hopefully mine will stretch out some before I get my first flat. I've used wire bead tires most of my life, these folding tires seem much more difficult to mount. I'm not convinced they're worth the trouble.

I do think part of the trouble was the tackiness of a new tire, and its tendency to not want to slide easily over an aluminum rim, especially when it's been folded up in a freakin box for the last year. Folding tires definitely take some getting used to.
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Hopefully mine will stretch out some before I get my first flat. I've used wire bead tires most of my life, these folding tires seem much more difficult to mount. I'm not convinced they're worth the trouble.

I do think part of the trouble was the tackiness of a new tire, and its tendency to not want to slide easily over an aluminum rim, especially when it's been folded up in a freakin box for the last year. Folding tires definitely take some getting used to.
After they've been mounted and have some miles on them they're MUCH easier to mount the second time.
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A bit of soapy water works wonders.
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