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Old 02-05-18, 09:28 AM
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What torque do you do your axle bolts up to on both carbon and alloy? Front and back. I think i have over-tightened mine as some are shearing
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Old 02-05-18, 09:42 AM
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What torque do you do your axle bolts up to on both carbon and alloy? Front and back. I think i have over-tightened mine as some are shearing
What's shearing?? The track ends? Or are you stripping threads on the axle/nut?
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It looks to be the track ends, so I think they are over tightened
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Old 02-05-18, 10:33 AM
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I have some $300 Castelli speed suits from around 2011 that are still in good condition, but they have a slight smell to them. I don't think it's from sweat (although it could be) because I have kits from that era that I wore more often that do not have the smell. It doesn't smell rotten like "pad rot" (a term from my BMX freestyle days when I'd go too long without washing my helmet or pads). It's simply a slight unfriendly odor when you get within a few inches of the speed suit.

Any idea how I can preferably neutralize this or at least mask it?
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Old 02-05-18, 11:05 AM
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I always wash mine with head & shoulders and lukewarm'ish water and hang dry. Mine seem to stay smell free. (or I'm used to it...)

Failing that/quick fix... maybe those febreeze sprayers? Or some AXE if you want to attract all the ladies.
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Old 02-05-18, 11:08 AM
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put it in a bag with a bunch of baking soda, shake the bag up, and then let it sit for several days
then dump out the baking soda, then wash it with detergent and more baking soda
dry it in the dryer
if the smell persists, just febreeze it every time you wear it to a party
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Old 02-05-18, 11:24 AM
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I always wash mine with head & shoulders and lukewarm'ish water and hang dry. Mine seem to stay smell free. (or I'm used to it...)

Failing that/quick fix... maybe those febreeze sprayers? Or some AXE if you want to attract all the ladies.
AXE would definitely make me "THAT guy" that everyone dreads being behind in the paceline, hahahaha

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put it in a bag with a bunch of baking soda, shake the bag up, and then let it sit for several days
then dump out the baking soda, then wash it with detergent and more baking soda
dry it in the dryer
if the smell persists, just febreeze it every time you wear it to a party
I'll try the baking soda first (because I have it on hand) and if that doesn't work, I'll try the shampoo.

Thanks!
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Old 02-05-18, 11:29 AM
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Try putting it in the freezer first, I think that’s what “they” recommend when your jeans start smelling but you don’t want to wash ‘em...
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Originally Posted by MrMinty View Post
It looks to be the track ends, so I think they are over tightened
Pictures? How are they shearing? Are you removing material? What bike and what material are the drops made of?
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Old 02-05-18, 11:52 AM
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The skinsuit funk is bacteria. Synthetic fabrics (some more than others), seem to be able to harbour bacteria better than natural fibers. Basically, wicking fabrics also attract your skin/skin oils onto the fabric. These bacteria feed on them, and the bacteria are pretty tough to remove, so you have to try to kill the bacteria, AND "degrease" your clothes.

Some solutions to kill the bacteria:

Freezing - try to kill the bacteria that way
Change the pH - baking soda OR vinegar may work, you may need to try both
Use an enzyme wash - Mirazyme is good https://www.rei.com/product/694530/g...dor-eliminator. It literally breaks the bacteria apart. I've used this on shoes, tents, and carpet and it's always worked.

To "degrease" your clothes regular detergent won't work. You'll have to use a cleaner that breaks down grease/oil. Lysol Kitchen and Bath works well. You can dilute it to 10% with hot water, and soak the garments before you wash them. Use a 5Gal bucket to do this so that you can stir and agitate the garment to make sure that it is fully saturated, or just let it soak in your machine. Let soak, rinse, and then wash as normal.

Another thing to think about is sanitizing your wash machine every once in a while. Run an small empty load in there of diluted Spray 9. Your wash machine never fully extracts all the water after a cycle, and this leaves a wet/musty environment for bacteria to thrive in the recesses of the machine.

I wear synthetic wicking shirts for 8-10 hours a day (high viz stuff). My shirts get hit hard with oil/sweat/mechanical greases. I have 5 each of undershirts and Hi-Viz, and just throw them in the hamper at the end of the day. I probably have to run through a cycle of all my syntheitcs with Lysol in the machine about once every 1.5-2 months.

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Freezing - try to kill the bacteria that way
Nah, this doesn't work. I tried this with a helmet, and a bike racing scientist I know said, "yeah, freezing. that's what we do to preserve the similar bacteria we work with in the lab. won't kill 'em." Sure enough, my helmet still smelled bad. Vinegar worked though.
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Old 02-05-18, 12:22 PM
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Also, when you wash them, double rinse it.

Detergent sticks to synthetic fabrics more than natural, and it will sometimes hold odors on.
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Thanks, everyone. I'll keep you posted. I have 2 that I bought at the same time and are in the same condition. I can A/B test the techniques and report back.
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Originally Posted by spartanKid View Post
In the theater/performing arts world, vodka in a spritzer bottle is used to kill bacteria and get rid of the stench in costumes. Maybe give that a try.
99% Isopropyl is cheaper and stronger.
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Old 02-05-18, 11:37 PM
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Thanks, everyone. I'll keep you posted. I have 2 that I bought at the same time and are in the same condition. I can A/B test the techniques and report back.
I've used this stuff on baselayers and synthetics before and works really well. Maybe about 10 washes to a bottle

https://www.mec.ca/en/product/5028-5...ee-Sports-Wash
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Old 02-06-18, 07:12 AM
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Best aero track crankset?
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Best aero track crankset?
since the gains to be had by an aero crankset over a nonaero one are extremely marginal to the point of being indecipherable, aero cranksets aren't in common use at all so i don't think there's anything approaching consensus on what's the best.
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since the gains to be had by an aero crankset over a nonaero one are extremely marginal to the point of being indecipherable, aero cranksets aren't in common use at all so i don't think there's anything approaching consensus on what's the best.
I can say as someone with one...I notice zero difference.

100% bought because it looks swish. If it looks fast, it must be fast
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Old 02-06-18, 07:01 PM
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Best aero track crankset?
Either the look one-piece or the bf1 systems used by GB/Aus.
Or you could change practically anything else and save more watts
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This is an old question, probably one that many of you have not considered since you were new in the sport: Step in pedals: float or no float? I've been on old style clips and straps and this is new (again) to me. I was assuming no float, but then with setting up my new shoes my LBS did not have the no float cleats, and I'm stuck with 4.5˚ for now. But I kinda like it. Is this wrong? What are the arguments against float for a sprinter?

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Vision track crankset. Not made of unobtainium like the other sexy cranksets
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This is an old question, probably one that many of you have not considered since you were new in the sport: Step in pedals: float or no float? I've been on old style clips and straps and this is new (again) to me. I was assuming no float, but then with setting up my new shoes my LBS did not have the no float cleats, and I'm stuck with 4.5˚ for now. But I kinda like it. Is this wrong? What are the arguments against float for a sprinter?
No-float.

Every track sprinter that I've noticed uses no-float cleats. Male or female, elite or masters, national level and above, the sprinters all used no-float cleats. You can spot them. Shimano 0-float cleats have red "pontoons" (rubber grippy things on the outside of the cleat). The LOOK 0-float cleats are black.

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Vision track crankset. Not made of unobtainium like the other sexy cranksets
This is probably the best answer.

They are inexpensive and currently being used by the fastest men's Team Sprint team in the world right now.

They don't have the history of reliability or pedigree of Sugino, Dura Ace, or SRM. So, no one knows how well they age being that they are new.

With that being said, "aero" cranks will not make one faster. Between the dirty air coming off of the front wheel, the turbulence added by the down tube, the legs and feet churning along side and above the cranks, a tapered edge here and there will simply go unnoticed.

...but, advertising cranks as being aero is a great way to sell cranks
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No-float.

Every track sprinter that I've noticed uses no-float cleats. Male or female, elite or masters, national level and above, the sprinters all used no-float cleats. You can spot them. Shimano 0-float cleats have red "pontoons" (rubber grippy things on the outside of the cleat). The LOOK 0-float cleats are black.
I know this is the sprinter consensus, I'm just interested in if others are bucking this trend and if so, why? I'm liking the feel at top-end roller leg speeds, though I have no idea whether this would translate to the track. I may very well go back to fixed, but since they are on here and not feeling weird to me, I was curious.
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This is an old question, probably one that many of you have not considered since you were new in the sport: Step in pedals: float or no float? I've been on old style clips and straps and this is new (again) to me. I was assuming no float, but then with setting up my new shoes my LBS did not have the no float cleats, and I'm stuck with 4.5˚ for now. But I kinda like it. Is this wrong? What are the arguments against float for a sprinter?
Float. I had this discussion with my bike fitter who is very very good with all this stuff when I turned up for my custom frame fit with fixed cleats. Basically he said you don't use fixed unless you have your position totally and utterly dialed in. Otherwise fixed will cause you more problems physically than they're worth. I guess sprinters aren't really on the bike long enough to see too much damage from their use. I did notice some minor knee discomfort disappear once I went to float vs fixed on my road shoes after that discussion
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Float. I had this discussion with my bike fitter who is very very good with all this stuff when I turned up for my custom frame fit with fixed cleats. Basically he said you don't use fixed unless you have your position totally and utterly dialed in. Otherwise fixed will cause you more problems physically than they're worth. I guess sprinters aren't really on the bike long enough to see too much damage from their use. I did notice some minor knee discomfort disappear once I went to float vs fixed on my road shoes after that discussion
I beg to differ. Improperly adjusted 0-float or float cleats will cause issues.

This is the same thinking that has people saying that "Squats will give you knee problems!" No. Improper squats will give you knee problems as any exercise done improperly

In my experience, it takes about 15 to 30 minutes of trial, error, and patience to properly dial in a set of 0-float cleats on my shoes. Maybe some bike fitters don't want to spend that much time of the session doing that?

I use 0-float for track and road. I toss the yellow cleats that come with new pedals


On a related note: Look for the red 0-float cleats in this Tour De France gallery. They aren't just for track sprinters.
Tour de France shoes gallery - BikeRadar
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