C.P. Rear hub, is it flip-flop like newer ones?
07-15-19, 02:29 PM
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C.P. Rear hub, is it flip-flop like newer ones?
Hello,
I plant to build a wheelset for ss/fixed gear bike.
I have this C.P. old rear hub, looks like it's a C. P. Moyeu De Course made by Pelissier hub.
Can you educate me about its vintage? I thought it could be from 40's-50's? Also, are the threads standart or some weird ones (to make it simple, can I use new ss sprockets, fixed sprockets and a lock ring, will they fit?)
Also, why did they need the fixed side? It is for bike that can be used on track and road races just by flipping the wheel?
The OLD is 117mm. I think some of the locknuts/spacers are not original. What could be it's original OLD?
Thanks!
I plant to build a wheelset for ss/fixed gear bike.
I have this C.P. old rear hub, looks like it's a C. P. Moyeu De Course made by Pelissier hub.
Can you educate me about its vintage? I thought it could be from 40's-50's? Also, are the threads standart or some weird ones (to make it simple, can I use new ss sprockets, fixed sprockets and a lock ring, will they fit?)
Also, why did they need the fixed side? It is for bike that can be used on track and road races just by flipping the wheel?
The OLD is 117mm. I think some of the locknuts/spacers are not original. What could be it's original OLD?
Thanks!
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I would suspect it is an older hub; it looks spaced for a 4 or 5 speed block on the freewheel side and a normal fixed cog with lockring on the other. I have seen less expensive versions of this hub on bikes built in the early 70s, especially during the era when distributors were scouring Europe for bikes to sell in the U.S.
It would indeed have been used in both fixed and freewheel modes - but not on the same ride. One would remove the derailleurs and shorten the chain to train during the winter months on the fixed cog per the old C.O.N.I. manual and other classical cycling literature and tradition, then flip the wheel back around and re-install the shifty bits with the longer chain for racing season. In a much less affluent time, having one wheel that could perform both functions made a lot of sense.
I think it's a cool hub and would be great for an all-out vintage restoration, but personally if I was going to build a single-speed/fixed-gear wheelset that I was planning on actually riding a lot, I would acquire something modern in a 120 mm spacing, preferably with sealed bearings. The difference between the Maillard track hub I had years ago vs. Formula/IRO/Origin8 hubs is astounding. For that matter, I've been very pleased with Surly New Track (as opposed to the NEW new track) and Kogswell fixed-gear hubs I've used.
It would indeed have been used in both fixed and freewheel modes - but not on the same ride. One would remove the derailleurs and shorten the chain to train during the winter months on the fixed cog per the old C.O.N.I. manual and other classical cycling literature and tradition, then flip the wheel back around and re-install the shifty bits with the longer chain for racing season. In a much less affluent time, having one wheel that could perform both functions made a lot of sense.
I think it's a cool hub and would be great for an all-out vintage restoration, but personally if I was going to build a single-speed/fixed-gear wheelset that I was planning on actually riding a lot, I would acquire something modern in a 120 mm spacing, preferably with sealed bearings. The difference between the Maillard track hub I had years ago vs. Formula/IRO/Origin8 hubs is astounding. For that matter, I've been very pleased with Surly New Track (as opposed to the NEW new track) and Kogswell fixed-gear hubs I've used.
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Thank you for posting.
Pelissier products were done by Etablissements Perrin of St. Etienne.
My guess is that it may be very slightly later than you suggest.
One common trade term for this pattern of hub is "training hub."
Perhaps member @amirinisrael will have something to contribute...
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Thank you for posting.
Pelissier products were done by Etablissements Perrin of St. Etienne.
My guess is that it may be very slightly later than you suggest.
One common trade term for this pattern of hub is "training hub."
Perhaps member @amirinisrael will have something to contribute...
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