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01-23-18, 03:21 PM
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The Honda Africa Twin I am considering has a substantial front fender, yet just an integrated rear.
I intend to ride extensively off-road on a multi-month trip after I retire, so these are good things to ponder in advance.
01-23-18, 05:38 PM
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It's an extra pound or two, so the fenders will make the bike slightly heavier to carry, and feel a little bit weightier when tossing it back and forth out of the saddle.
Fenders are inline with the wheels, frame, drivetrain, etc. Everything is drafting everything else. It's likely that fenders usually increase the air drag of a bike, but it's a small enough effect that it's not easy to measure either way.
I have fenders on a few bikes that I use for go-fast road riding, and they still perform well.
Will I feel "drag" from the fenders?
I have fenders on a few bikes that I use for go-fast road riding, and they still perform well.
01-23-18, 06:04 PM
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I have fenders on my Croll, which is my "rain" bike.
I don't notice the fenders until it rains or is slushy.
Then they are a godsend.
Wish I could fit a little more tire in there though.
01-23-18, 06:10 PM
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Thanks! This bike popped up here one or two owners ago, supposedly one of only three factory canti Paramounts from '77. Being a '70s bike, it was built for 27" wheels, 1-1/4" tires, and the canti boss spacing is very narrow. Getting 700c wheels, fatter tires and fenders to fit was all a bit of a chore. Shimano CX70 cantis had enough shoe height adjustability to hit the rims square at the bottom of the slot, and low-profile shoes made the spacing OK. The Honjos are one of the longer models (forgot the model #), and these are actually 650b fenders, which I find fit 700cx32mm tires better than 700c Honjos, much less reprofiling needed. Tire/fender clearance is OK, a bit on the tight side---30mm tires might be ideal.
I like the Arkel Tailrider bag. It's got enough compartments to be useful, the top is expandable so it's easy to jam more stuff in, mounting straps work fine. My only complaint is that the rear flap, which has a blinkie tab, sits at a 45-deg angle to the ground i/o 90-deg, so the blinkie points towards the ground i/o straight back. I have a blinkie mounted on the rack, so it's not a problem, but it is a weird design choice. It's also got no C&V cred whatsoever, but my bikes are always a mashup, so that doesn't bother me. That said, I might find a smaller rack trunk for the front rack and move the Sackville to the rear.
Took me a while to get the silver Tubus rack, which is kinda close to a paint match, but it's way overkill for just holding a rack trunk. Since this bike will never see panniers, I have a VO Constructeur rear rack waiting to get installed. It won't save much wait, but it'll get the bag lower, give me some additional fender mounting points, and won't look nearly as massive.
I like the Arkel Tailrider bag. It's got enough compartments to be useful, the top is expandable so it's easy to jam more stuff in, mounting straps work fine. My only complaint is that the rear flap, which has a blinkie tab, sits at a 45-deg angle to the ground i/o 90-deg, so the blinkie points towards the ground i/o straight back. I have a blinkie mounted on the rack, so it's not a problem, but it is a weird design choice. It's also got no C&V cred whatsoever, but my bikes are always a mashup, so that doesn't bother me. That said, I might find a smaller rack trunk for the front rack and move the Sackville to the rear.
Took me a while to get the silver Tubus rack, which is kinda close to a paint match, but it's way overkill for just holding a rack trunk. Since this bike will never see panniers, I have a VO Constructeur rear rack waiting to get installed. It won't save much wait, but it'll get the bag lower, give me some additional fender mounting points, and won't look nearly as massive.
I am building up a Waterford restored/mod 75 Paramount (touring model) with 700c wheels. I purchased Soma Vitesse 33mm on 17.5 (internal) rims. Wonderful volume. However, they fit with about 4mm space to the fork crown - doable w/o fenders. However, I REALLY want to run with fenders. I am wondering if 28's will work for fender clearance . What tires are you running on your absolutely wonderful Paramount? I don't see how 32's would work with what I have. Thanks!
03-16-18, 07:04 AM
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Glad you like the Paramount.
Fender clearance can get tricky. It's partly physics, partly what kind of clearance you're comfortable with. And whether you want to do some hacking or not.
Simple math, the only kind I know how to do, says that if you've got 4mm clearance with 33s, you ought get around 7mm with 30s, and 9mm with 28s. As long as the overall tire height changes consistently with width. Which may or may not be the case.
Best thing is to just try a couple different tires and see how it looks.
Possible hacks at the fork crown:
1. Cut/split the fenders, attaching the rear part to the rear of the crown, front to front. So no fender section underneath. You'd need an extra strut up front to support the front fender section, or attach it directly to a front rack, if you're using one. Gives up full coverage, and doesn't protect the bottom headset bearings, but lets you keep that nice volume. This is a not-uncommon hack at the rear of racier frames, but I can't see any reason you couldn't do it up front, with extra support for the front chunk, as noted.
2. Don't know how you're setting this up, but if you're planning to use a daruma, cutting the threads shorter and using a recessed brake mounting nut from the inside of the fender gives you less protrusion than having the daruma threads protrude into the fender, anchored with a nut.
My Paramount is running Compass Stampede Pass tires, so 700x32. It's a little too early/cold to run around the garage with calipers, but I'm likely looking at 30-32mm width, and I've got maybe 8mm clearance under the front fender. Using a daruma at the crown, setup like in #2 above.
I'm sorry to say that good ol' trial-and-error is what you're looking at if you want to maximize tire width. Or just use 28s.
Fender clearance can get tricky. It's partly physics, partly what kind of clearance you're comfortable with. And whether you want to do some hacking or not.
Simple math, the only kind I know how to do, says that if you've got 4mm clearance with 33s, you ought get around 7mm with 30s, and 9mm with 28s. As long as the overall tire height changes consistently with width. Which may or may not be the case.
Best thing is to just try a couple different tires and see how it looks.
Possible hacks at the fork crown:
1. Cut/split the fenders, attaching the rear part to the rear of the crown, front to front. So no fender section underneath. You'd need an extra strut up front to support the front fender section, or attach it directly to a front rack, if you're using one. Gives up full coverage, and doesn't protect the bottom headset bearings, but lets you keep that nice volume. This is a not-uncommon hack at the rear of racier frames, but I can't see any reason you couldn't do it up front, with extra support for the front chunk, as noted.
2. Don't know how you're setting this up, but if you're planning to use a daruma, cutting the threads shorter and using a recessed brake mounting nut from the inside of the fender gives you less protrusion than having the daruma threads protrude into the fender, anchored with a nut.
My Paramount is running Compass Stampede Pass tires, so 700x32. It's a little too early/cold to run around the garage with calipers, but I'm likely looking at 30-32mm width, and I've got maybe 8mm clearance under the front fender. Using a daruma at the crown, setup like in #2 above.
I'm sorry to say that good ol' trial-and-error is what you're looking at if you want to maximize tire width. Or just use 28s.
I am building up a Waterford restored/mod 75 Paramount (touring model) with 700c wheels. I purchased Soma Vitesse 33mm on 17.5 (internal) rims. Wonderful volume. However, they fit with about 4mm space to the fork crown - doable w/o fenders. However, I REALLY want to run with fenders. I am wondering if 28's will work for fender clearance . What tires are you running on your absolutely wonderful Paramount? I don't see how 32's would work with what I have. Thanks!
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03-16-18, 07:14 AM
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Updates....no new fendered machines in the herd. I just sold the Boulder (sniff), got the VO Constructeur rack on the back of the Paramount and went 1x, and 1x on the Kirk Terraplane. And though I'd sworn myself to black saddles forever, I did get a white saddle for the Kirk not long after I took this photo.
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Updates....no new fendered machines in the herd. I just sold the Boulder (sniff), got the VO Constructeur rack on the back of the Paramount and went 1x, and 1x on the Kirk Terraplane. And though I'd sworn myself to black saddles forever, I did get a white saddle for the Kirk not long after I took this photo.
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PCP - Thanks for the response! I think my Paramount was built for 700c to begin with as it has the top tube cable guides on the non-drive side which suggest it was designed for the Campy calipers (as opposed to the standard center-pulls). As I understand, 700c was the size of choice for those calipers. I just ordered some 28mm tires along with some Handsome Cycles copper fenders. I throw a picture out once the build is complete. I'll hold on to those nice 33mm tires for a bit as I really like the volume but I may sell them at a later time.
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Updates....no new fendered machines in the herd. I just sold the Boulder (sniff), got the VO Constructeur rack on the back of the Paramount and went 1x, and 1x on the Kirk Terraplane. And though I'd sworn myself to black saddles forever, I did get a white saddle for the Kirk not long after I took this photo.
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@GeoffroyFromLux,
Why thank you!
Here is my bag support in all its homemade glory:
It was a shower caddie hanger in its past life. Works great. I haul two half gallon glass bottles of milk in that bag, plus ice pack, with no problems.
Why thank you!
Here is my bag support in all its homemade glory:
It was a shower caddie hanger in its past life. Works great. I haul two half gallon glass bottles of milk in that bag, plus ice pack, with no problems.
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My Gazelle Lausanne. It is not yet being ridden by its new owner but then again, she won't be seeing it for another week. 
07-13-19, 05:39 PM
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Wow that's a great Homemade decaleur, thx for sharing 
here is mine without handlebar bag for the moment
but I think I will try your clever idea
here is mine without handlebar bag for the moment
but I think I will try your clever idea
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07-15-19, 06:43 PM
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A few of my bikes with fenders.
My Miele MTB converted to drop bar and bar-end shifters.
My Miele Uno SL converted to cantilever brakes and used for touring on roads.
Miele Uno SL used as a pick-up truck to bring home a dehumidifier.
My Giant Butte converted to drop bar and bar-end shifters.
Another Giant MTB converted to drop bar and bar-end shifters.
Cheers
My Miele MTB converted to drop bar and bar-end shifters.
My Miele Uno SL converted to cantilever brakes and used for touring on roads.
Miele Uno SL used as a pick-up truck to bring home a dehumidifier.
My Giant Butte converted to drop bar and bar-end shifters.
Another Giant MTB converted to drop bar and bar-end shifters.
Cheers
07-15-19, 07:21 PM
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Cannondale M500 I built up from a co-op frame as a weight loss bike. Now it'll be an all weather town beater. I still need to adjust the handlebar.
07-15-19, 07:59 PM
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Look carefully...there is a front fender, period Bluemel's
Some contemporary fenders on a vintage Road/Path
And who luvs Shorties....this guy
Some contemporary fenders on a vintage Road/Path
And who luvs Shorties....this guy
07-15-19, 09:53 PM
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