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Bike Choice Dilemma
If I had my druthers I would be living with a trailhead outside my front (back) door. Unfortunately, since moving, I have zero access to trails unless I want to drive 30 miles, which goes against my grain. I don't mind a 10 mile ride and then a trail and then a 10 mile ride home (all on the bike). I also enjoy jumping on my old Giant road bike and hitting the road for a day trip. But now I want a bike that gives me both road and trail enjoyment. Riding my old MTB on the road is like riding a tank. And riding the road bike on trails is not happening. What is a good compromise? And can we keep it under $2K? Does anyone own a Motobecane Phantom 2.5? If so, what do you like or dislike about it? Thanks in advance for all comments and/or suggestions.
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Did you mean the Fantom 2.5? https://www.bikesdirect.com/products/...b-275.htmLooks like a decent bike, and i have had good experiences with BikesDirect .... but that bike won't fulfill your dream of a bike which works equally well on the road and the trails.
Really, no bike will. Yo9u need knobs in dirt and the hurt you on the road. You need width on dirt and it is just weight and dragon pavement.
You could compromise with skinny tires with a center slick strip .... the Fantom has 2.5" tires ((62.5 mm) but you might be able to make it work with 1.9 (45 mm.) Or you could keep tires in a knapsack and swap at the trailhead.
Basically if you want a car-plane or an amphibious car---drive to the lake and drive right in! Amphicar!---you are going to have a lousy plane or boat, and not a very good car. So, do you want to enjoy the ride to the trails or the ride on the trails?
No matter which bike you buy, the trails will still be 30 miles away, right? I cannot think of Any bike which would be a good ride for 30 miles on pavement and worth anything on singletrack unless you pretty much wanted to go bog-slow on the trails. Fire roads, double track ,.... sore get a good gravel bike .... but real MTB riding? I don't see it.
Really, no bike will. Yo9u need knobs in dirt and the hurt you on the road. You need width on dirt and it is just weight and dragon pavement.
You could compromise with skinny tires with a center slick strip .... the Fantom has 2.5" tires ((62.5 mm) but you might be able to make it work with 1.9 (45 mm.) Or you could keep tires in a knapsack and swap at the trailhead.
Basically if you want a car-plane or an amphibious car---drive to the lake and drive right in! Amphicar!---you are going to have a lousy plane or boat, and not a very good car. So, do you want to enjoy the ride to the trails or the ride on the trails?
No matter which bike you buy, the trails will still be 30 miles away, right? I cannot think of Any bike which would be a good ride for 30 miles on pavement and worth anything on singletrack unless you pretty much wanted to go bog-slow on the trails. Fire roads, double track ,.... sore get a good gravel bike .... but real MTB riding? I don't see it.
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Motobecane went defunct in the early 80s. Anyone using that name is probably trying to trick you into thinking it might have some of that old French quality.
In terms of a do it all bike it really doesn't exist. As Maelochs said it will be good for one or the other but not great for both. A gravel bike is certainly awesome but will probably not be great for mountain biking and while ok on the roads won't be as fast and efficient as a proper road bike. It sounds like you need at least two different bikes. Though you might also need to do some trail building close to home and that will also help solve your dilemma.
While it won't be efficient on the road you could look at a proper electric mountain bike. It will blow your budget completely (unless you buy crap) but something like the Specialized Levo SL might be just the ticket. The motor can help on the road and the bike itself is light enough to ride as a regular mountain bike when you get to the trail head.
In terms of a do it all bike it really doesn't exist. As Maelochs said it will be good for one or the other but not great for both. A gravel bike is certainly awesome but will probably not be great for mountain biking and while ok on the roads won't be as fast and efficient as a proper road bike. It sounds like you need at least two different bikes. Though you might also need to do some trail building close to home and that will also help solve your dilemma.
While it won't be efficient on the road you could look at a proper electric mountain bike. It will blow your budget completely (unless you buy crap) but something like the Specialized Levo SL might be just the ticket. The motor can help on the road and the bike itself is light enough to ride as a regular mountain bike when you get to the trail head.
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Did you mean the Fantom 2.5? https://www.bikesdirect.com/products/...b-275.htmLooks like a decent bike, and i have had good experiences with BikesDirect .... but that bike won't fulfill your dream of a bike which works equally well on the road and the trails.
Really, no bike will. Yo9u need knobs in dirt and the hurt you on the road. You need width on dirt and it is just weight and dragon pavement.
You could compromise with skinny tires with a center slick strip .... the Fantom has 2.5" tires ((62.5 mm) but you might be able to make it work with 1.9 (45 mm.) Or you could keep tires in a knapsack and swap at the trailhead.
Basically if you want a car-plane or an amphibious car---drive to the lake and drive right in! Amphicar!---you are going to have a lousy plane or boat, and not a very good car. So, do you want to enjoy the ride to the trails or the ride on the trails?
No matter which bike you buy, the trails will still be 30 miles away, right? I cannot think of Any bike which would be a good ride for 30 miles on pavement and worth anything on singletrack unless you pretty much wanted to go bog-slow on the trails. Fire roads, double track ,.... sore get a good gravel bike .... but real MTB riding? I don't see it.
Really, no bike will. Yo9u need knobs in dirt and the hurt you on the road. You need width on dirt and it is just weight and dragon pavement.
You could compromise with skinny tires with a center slick strip .... the Fantom has 2.5" tires ((62.5 mm) but you might be able to make it work with 1.9 (45 mm.) Or you could keep tires in a knapsack and swap at the trailhead.
Basically if you want a car-plane or an amphibious car---drive to the lake and drive right in! Amphicar!---you are going to have a lousy plane or boat, and not a very good car. So, do you want to enjoy the ride to the trails or the ride on the trails?
No matter which bike you buy, the trails will still be 30 miles away, right? I cannot think of Any bike which would be a good ride for 30 miles on pavement and worth anything on singletrack unless you pretty much wanted to go bog-slow on the trails. Fire roads, double track ,.... sore get a good gravel bike .... but real MTB riding? I don't see it.
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Motobecane went defunct in the early 80s. Anyone using that name is probably trying to trick you into thinking it might have some of that old French quality.
In terms of a do it all bike it really doesn't exist. As Maelochs said it will be good for one or the other but not great for both. A gravel bike is certainly awesome but will probably not be great for mountain biking and while ok on the roads won't be as fast and efficient as a proper road bike. It sounds like you need at least two different bikes. Though you might also need to do some trail building close to home and that will also help solve your dilemma.
While it won't be efficient on the road you could look at a proper electric mountain bike. It will blow your budget completely (unless you buy crap) but something like the Specialized Levo SL might be just the ticket. The motor can help on the road and the bike itself is light enough to ride as a regular mountain bike when you get to the trail head.
In terms of a do it all bike it really doesn't exist. As Maelochs said it will be good for one or the other but not great for both. A gravel bike is certainly awesome but will probably not be great for mountain biking and while ok on the roads won't be as fast and efficient as a proper road bike. It sounds like you need at least two different bikes. Though you might also need to do some trail building close to home and that will also help solve your dilemma.
While it won't be efficient on the road you could look at a proper electric mountain bike. It will blow your budget completely (unless you buy crap) but something like the Specialized Levo SL might be just the ticket. The motor can help on the road and the bike itself is light enough to ride as a regular mountain bike when you get to the trail head.
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Why not investigate getting a used gravel bike? My neighbor has one and regularly does 70 mile combination trail and road rides. Even does some light mtn biking with it.
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The simple solution to this really bad situation is to buy a second home near the trails. This way you can spend your weekends, holidays and vacation near the trails you love and get your city fix the rest of the year.
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I'm still considering that option, but haven't found a gravel bike even close to what I like. Maybe I'm just chasing a pipe dream here...
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I have a gravel bike with a second set of DT Swiss ER 1600 wheels onto which I've mounted 700x32 GP5000 tires. I like it so much I retired my dedicated road bike. The 32s will handle most trails and perform well on roads. I do a fair amount of mixed paved and dirt roads in the Berkshires and have not even resorted to using the original wheelset. Unless you are a featherweight or racing I doubt you'll notice the extra weight of the tires.
Or if your existing road bike will clear wider tires and the wheelset is suitable just try wider tires.
Or if your existing road bike will clear wider tires and the wheelset is suitable just try wider tires.
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You have your other two priorities covered with your current bikes.
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I have a gravel bike with a second set of DT Swiss ER 1600 wheels onto which I've mounted 700x32 GP5000 tires. I like it so much I retired my dedicated road bike. The 32s will handle most trails and perform well on roads. I do a fair amount of mixed paved and dirt roads in the Berkshires and have not even resorted to using the original wheelset. Unless you are a featherweight or racing I doubt you'll notice the extra weight of the tires.
Or if your existing road bike will clear wider tires and the wheelset is suitable just try wider tires.
Or if your existing road bike will clear wider tires and the wheelset is suitable just try wider tires.
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Motobecane, like many other brands from the 80s, is no longer its own brand. It is owned by BikesDirect. They may not have the cachet of the original French brand, but they're not bad bikes.
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We had a couple of semi-fat tire Motobecanes for trail patrols and I found the quality to be top notch and we abused the hell out of them. Between 60 plus pounds of gear and a lot of hard riding they stood up really well, so I'm definitely not put off by the low prices or ownership of Bikes Direct. Thanks for that comment.
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I had a BikesDirect bike for a while and it was totally fine, exactly what I needed in a super discounted price. I wouldn't have any concerns about buying another one. As long as you know what you're looking for and are OK doing setup/adjustments on your own (or paying an LBS to do this) there should be no problem.
As far as type of bike for this purpose, it really depends on the types of trails. You can definitely ride easier, less technical singletrack trails on a gravel or CX style bike with 40-45mm tires. This setup will still be pretty fast on pavement and give you some off-road capability. It isn't a replacement for a 100mm travel fork and 2.5 inch tires though, so it definitely depends on how technical and what type of riding you're talking about.
Something like the Motobecane Gravel X3 would be much lighter and more efficient on-road than the Fantom 2.5 MTB, but with narrower tires and no suspension it would be less capable on rough/technical singletrack. It says it fits up to 40mm tires, but probably fits a little wider:
https://www.bikesdirect.com/products/...avel-bikes.htm
As far as type of bike for this purpose, it really depends on the types of trails. You can definitely ride easier, less technical singletrack trails on a gravel or CX style bike with 40-45mm tires. This setup will still be pretty fast on pavement and give you some off-road capability. It isn't a replacement for a 100mm travel fork and 2.5 inch tires though, so it definitely depends on how technical and what type of riding you're talking about.
Something like the Motobecane Gravel X3 would be much lighter and more efficient on-road than the Fantom 2.5 MTB, but with narrower tires and no suspension it would be less capable on rough/technical singletrack. It says it fits up to 40mm tires, but probably fits a little wider:
https://www.bikesdirect.com/products/...avel-bikes.htm
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If you have to have one bike for both, I would approach it by looking at the minimum you need for the trails you're going to ride. If the trails are relatively smooth and not all muddy, you can get by with tires that won't be much of a drag on pavement.
If whatever that minimum is for your trails is no good for the road, then you're chasing a unicorn.
If whatever that minimum is for your trails is no good for the road, then you're chasing a unicorn.
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While 30 miles is pretty far, just drive to the trails. When I was younger everything started from my driveway, I was only riding road, but I was proud that I could go anywhere from my house. As I got older, and started to ride trails, it was not that important anymore. I'll even drive my road bike to a starting point.
For me the key is whether the trail, or ride, is worth the drive. If the trails are not very good, or too short, then it may not be worth it. But if they are exactly what you like, then put together an easy way to load and unload the bike and enjoy it.
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For me the key is whether the trail, or ride, is worth the drive. If the trails are not very good, or too short, then it may not be worth it. But if they are exactly what you like, then put together an easy way to load and unload the bike and enjoy it.
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I had a BikesDirect bike for a while and it was totally fine, exactly what I needed in a super discounted price. I wouldn't have any concerns about buying another one. As long as you know what you're looking for and are OK doing setup/adjustments on your own (or paying an LBS to do this) there should be no problem.
As far as type of bike for this purpose, it really depends on the types of trails. You can definitely ride easier, less technical singletrack trails on a gravel or CX style bike with 40-45mm tires. This setup will still be pretty fast on pavement and give you some off-road capability. It isn't a replacement for a 100mm travel fork and 2.5 inch tires though, so it definitely depends on how technical and what type of riding you're talking about.
Something like the Motobecane Gravel X3 would be much lighter and more efficient on-road than the Fantom 2.5 MTB, but with narrower tires and no suspension it would be less capable on rough/technical singletrack. It says it fits up to 40mm tires, but probably fits a little wider:
https://www.bikesdirect.com/products/...avel-bikes.htm
As far as type of bike for this purpose, it really depends on the types of trails. You can definitely ride easier, less technical singletrack trails on a gravel or CX style bike with 40-45mm tires. This setup will still be pretty fast on pavement and give you some off-road capability. It isn't a replacement for a 100mm travel fork and 2.5 inch tires though, so it definitely depends on how technical and what type of riding you're talking about.
Something like the Motobecane Gravel X3 would be much lighter and more efficient on-road than the Fantom 2.5 MTB, but with narrower tires and no suspension it would be less capable on rough/technical singletrack. It says it fits up to 40mm tires, but probably fits a little wider:
https://www.bikesdirect.com/products/...avel-bikes.htm
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While 30 miles is pretty far, just drive to the trails. When I was younger everything started from my driveway, I was only riding road, but I was proud that I could go anywhere from my house. As I got older, and started to ride trails, it was not that important anymore. I'll even drive my road bike to a starting point.
For me the key is whether the trail, or ride, is worth the drive. If the trails are not very good, or too short, then it may not be worth it. But if they are exactly what you like, then put together an easy way to load and unload the bike and enjoy it.
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For me the key is whether the trail, or ride, is worth the drive. If the trails are not very good, or too short, then it may not be worth it. But if they are exactly what you like, then put together an easy way to load and unload the bike and enjoy it.
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I too hate to drive to ride, but the nearest MTB trails are so far from where I live---45 miles---that I have no choice. I have some decent riding roads around here but if I move to somewhere lacking good riding roads, (must compromise with the wife sometimes) I will do the same---drive to ride.
Not what I want to do, but if I have no other way to do what I want to do overall (ride good roads or trails) then I will compromise.
Not what I want to do, but if I have no other way to do what I want to do overall (ride good roads or trails) then I will compromise.
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If I had my druthers I would be living with a trailhead outside my front (back) door. Unfortunately, since moving, I have zero access to trails unless I want to drive 30 miles, which goes against my grain. I don't mind a 10 mile ride and then a trail and then a 10 mile ride home (all on the bike). I also enjoy jumping on my old Giant road bike and hitting the road for a day trip. But now I want a bike that gives me both road and trail enjoyment. Riding my old MTB on the road is like riding a tank. And riding the road bike on trails is not happening. What is a good compromise? And can we keep it under $2K? Does anyone own a Motobecane Phantom 2.5? If so, what do you like or dislike about it? Thanks in advance for all comments and/or suggestions.
I think your best bet, would be to find yourself a capable flat bar grabel bike, or some sort of mountain oriented frame, preferably with 26" rims, and have two sets of rims. One for the road, one for trail riding. Slap on a suspension seatpost for added comfort, and you'll have a bike which can easily do both without any sort of compromises.
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I think your best bet, would be to find yourself a capable flat bar grabel bike, or some sort of mountain oriented frame, preferably with 26" rims, and have two sets of rims. One for the road, one for trail riding. Slap on a suspension seatpost for added comfort, and you'll have a bike which can easily do both without any sort of compromises.