tarsi 

Although too big for me, wondering if components/parts are worth asking price of $250. According to ad, "All Campagnolo components. Vintage Brooks Seat." Please let me know thoughts.

bikemig 

The bike is not my size and I'd be sorely tempted to pick it up to rebuild. The price is very reasonable for the bike but it seems a shame to part it out.

CliffordK

Oof...

I hate to see old "survivors" parted out, unless you have a specific project for them.

It really depends if you want that era of parts.

Crankset: Not Campy... but has some appeal. $30
Pedals (assuming Campy, $30 to $50)
Rear Derailleur (1st gen Record (steel), or Grand Sport) $50-$100
Front Derailleur, Campy Valentino, $30
Campagnolo Tipo hubset??? $50+
Well worn Brooks Saddle, $50
Weinmann Brakes & Levers, $30
Campagnolo friction bar end shifters, $50
Bars, Stem, Misc parts... $50
Frame.. $100
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You're well into $300 to $400 worth of bits (minus E-Bay commissions).

Bianchigirll 

If you want something that old for a project/rider it seems worth the price. Personally I would hate to see such a great survivor get broken up and sold off like Sears.

tarsi 

Thanks everybody but decided to pass on this one after receiving close-ups of components. Lots of rust and pitting

rhm

I assume this bike is from about 1960, so the front derailleur and bar end shifters are Gran Sport; the hubs are large flange Record "no Record" hubs. The brakes are probably the first generation Weinmann 999, which are a lot nicer than the mid 70's stuff. Looks like a fully domed aluminum seat post, too.

And the frame is almost certainly hand made butted 531. All in all I'd say it's well worth the price, even if there's a little rust. But certainly a bike to be kept together.

Where is it?

tarsi 

link and additional photos below.

https://losangeles.craigslist.org/ws...817729780.html

bikemig 

Yeah the pics identify the parts better but that list is right for a bike of that era. My Olmo gran sport also from 1960 has a similar parts group (brakes, hubs, derailleurs) with a different cottered crank.

The rust can be dealt with. For the right person, this is bike is a very worthy restoration project.

tarsi 

Agreed. If it were my size probably would have thought differently about the rust.

Anyhow, I just texted seller and he confirmed that he would ship bike. Hopefully somebody taller than me can give this beauty a second chance.

retyred

I just bought the Armstrong. I had looked at it two weeks ago but passed at $250. Seller lowered his price. Not in the best condition but it is my size.

tarsi 

Congrats. Post lots of photos of current and restoration.

BTW - It's "Show us your bike starting with A" month. See https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-vintage/1166165-show-us-your-bikes-starting.html

bikemig 

You got a very decent deal. I'm looking forward to seeing the build thread.

This is the thread on my 1960 Olmo Gran Sport. The parts mix is pretty similar to the Armstrong Moth you just picked up.

https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-v...n-sport-2.html

juvela

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Machine also discussed with multiple links here -

https://thecabe.com/forum/threads/ar...l-1959.146907/

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CliffordK

Ohh... rough, but I don't think it is beyond hope.

rhm

Congratulations!

I hope you'll start a thread about it. There is very little information about these late Armstrongs. There was another on the forum a few years ago; @nlerner had it for a while, and later @Michael Angelo got it (may still have it). But that one wasn't complete.

bikemig 

I hope @retyred does a build thread as well. It can be tough getting information on smaller manufacturers like this. I picked up a later Viking frameset and I've been having a heck of a time getting much info on it. I'll likely do a build thread in the spring and see what I can find out about the bike.

rhm

Armstrong presents a particular challenge, though. Try a google search "armstrong + bicycle" and you'll see what I'm talking about.

Mr. 66

retyred

Thanks for all the positive comments on the Armstrong Moth. Scarcity was one of the reasons I purchased it, along with size, price and location.

Unable to pick it up today due to storm but will post pics later.

Not sure what I will do with it but it will remain intact. I am better at storing than restoring.

I've been gone from BF for a few years but you old timers will remember me as the old guy with sixty vintage road bikes.Things have changed; I only have 58 now.

nlerner

Here are some pics of the Armstrong I used to own:

retyred

Very nice Armstrong pics. Color appears similar to the one I am picking up on Saturday. Yours wasn't as faded. My Armstrong came down from San Francisco which accounts for the weathering/rust.

One thing I noticed was the Stronglight cottered crankset with Model 57 alloy chain rings. As of now I haven't the foggiest if crankset is original. Any thoughts on original cranks?

Hoping to get approximate year of Armstrong from locknuts. Seller may be able to put me in touch with previous owner. Will share everything with interested forum members.

VtwinVince

That is very cool, I'd have been all over it if it had been in my 'hood. I just picked up a one-owner 1975 SCO Verdensmestercyklen, all original.

juvela

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If you look at the links in the other thread on the bicycle posted above you will see this chainset is OEM for 1959.

Arms are model Nr. 45 (the cottered version of the 49A) and worth a small fortune...along with the Brooks Swallow.



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retyred

Thanks Juvela for answering my query re the crankset. Definitely the first I have acquired in my decade of buying vintage road bikes. Ranks right up there with the 1963 Paramount that came with 'Top 63' brakes. Had no idea what they were when I bought the bike.

juvela

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BTW - chainwheels are not model 57.

Model 57 is a five-arm set. Model 45 is a five-pin set.

Chainwheel set is "Type 49"

Manufacturer catalogue page of 1958 -




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