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Old 02-27-20, 05:37 PM
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The key is safety. If driverless cars have 1% of the accidents of cars with drivers, there will be a public outcry. Driverless cars are expected to never have accidents, and they should get very close to that.

So they trial them in small areas. Whenever there is a problem, they make modifications to improve the system. When they are very confident about the safety of driverless cars, they will be rolled out on a larger scale.

The unknown is how many years that will take.

Once it happens, all, or nearly all new cars will be driverless.
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I think 1% is an exaggeration, but yes, I think it will (and should) take a rigorously-demonstrated large reduction in automated accidents vs humans before regulations will allow them.

Quite possible that this will cause the U.S. to lag behind other, less bureaucratic countries in the realm of automated cars.
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Originally Posted by RubeRad View Post
I think 1% is an exaggeration, but yes, I think it will (and should) take a rigorously-demonstrated large reduction in automated accidents vs humans before regulations will allow them.

Quite possible that this will cause the U.S. to lag behind other, less bureaucratic countries in the realm of automated cars.
At this point many new cars have collision avoidance features... I wonder if any of that is showing a statistical reduction in collisions.

There are some early reports that some features seem to be reducing certain types of collisions, but overall, I have not seen any recent reports that indicate a vast reduction in collisions... and certainly Tesla collisions continue to occur, thus bluring the lines even more.

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Originally Posted by genec View Post
At this point many new cars have collision avoidance features... I wonder if any of that is showing a statistical reduction in collisions.

There are some early reports that some features seem to be reducing certain types of collisions, but overall, I have not seen any recent reports that indicate a vast reduction in collisions... and certainly Tesla collisions continue to occur, thus bluring the lines even more.
Are there any statistical breakdowns of Tesla collisions in autopilot vs human-driven buckets? And vs non-Teslas? Or perhaps vs only comparable non-Teslas (like BMWs and other sports cars that would correlate with aggressive driving)?
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Originally Posted by genec View Post
At this point many new cars have collision avoidance features... I wonder if any of that is showing a statistical reduction in collisions.

There are some early reports that some features seem to be reducing certain types of collisions, but overall, I have not seen any recent reports that indicate a vast reduction in collisions... and certainly Tesla collisions continue to occur, thus bluring the lines even more.
​​​​​​I heard on the radio that fatal collisions are up in states that have legalized marijuana. Maybe smarter cars are helping to offset that.
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Oh, gee, look, you can fool an AV vision system.
https://theconversation.com/amp/auto...stacles-129427

Oh gee, look, you can fool a human, too.
https://www.insider.com/optical-illu...driving-2019-5
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The problem with those optical illusion crosswalks is they only tend to 'work' once, or on drivers who only infrequently drive that route and forget it's an illusion.

After the first time, regular drivers will go right back to flying through without looking, while texting and putting on makeup... :/
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Cool, but not really comparable. Fooling the human does not cause danger.
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Originally Posted by Notso_fastLane View Post
The problem with those optical illusion crosswalks is they only tend to 'work' once, or on drivers who only infrequently drive that route and forget it's an illusion.

After the first time, regular drivers will go right back to flying through without looking, while texting and putting on makeup... :/
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Cool, but not really comparable. Fooling the human does not cause danger.
Fooling the camera only system (Tesla) is pretty easy, with resulting danger that the vehicle sped up.

Fooling the LIDAR system required a complex timing situation, and resulted in braking, that only a human driver, following too closely, would fail to respond to.

Fooling the LIDAR system required precise active timing...
However, it’s more difficult to spoof the LiDAR sensor to “see” a “vehicle” that isn’t there. To succeed, the attacker needs to precisely time the signals shot at the victim LiDAR. This has to happen at the nanosecond level, since the signals travel at the speed of light. Small differences will stand out when the LiDAR is calculating the distance using the measured time-of-flight.
Fooling the human, required paint.
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