Completed RS build pictures, posted here!
#1
Ride it like you stole it
Thread Starter
Completed RS build pictures, posted here!
Since the other threads are getting very hard to navigate, we need to have a thread just for completed builds of the group buy Pedal Force RS frames. I know that I have asked the same people more than once to post pictures of their bikes. A nice description of what you were trying to accomplish and some impressions from your first rides would be nice too. This thread is not intended to supplant your own build thread. I really love seeing works in progress. It would be nice to have complete bikes pictured in one spot so everyone can benefit.
I will start by posting pictures of Bittersweet and my RS.
Really looking forward to seeing 100+ picture posts here.
Link to the orginal Group Buy Thread: https://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=235874
I will start by posting pictures of Bittersweet and my RS.
Really looking forward to seeing 100+ picture posts here.
Link to the orginal Group Buy Thread: https://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=235874
__________________
"Never use your face as a brake pad" - Jake Watson
The Reloutionaries @ Shapeways
"Never use your face as a brake pad" - Jake Watson
The Reloutionaries @ Shapeways
Last edited by cuda2k; 04-08-07 at 08:58 AM.
#2
Ride it like you stole it
Thread Starter
Bittersweet RS
Our goal was to get a better fitting bike for Bittersweet, without breaking the bank. Although we have had a lot of fun with the Motobecane LeChampion SL, the geometry just wasn't quite right. Although a 49cm frame the top tube was way too long for her short torso, the RS is a much better fit. So stripping the LeChampion and swapping out the crankset for a Shimano FC-R700 Compact was what we decided to do. Here are the final results.
Our goal was to get a better fitting bike for Bittersweet, without breaking the bank. Although we have had a lot of fun with the Motobecane LeChampion SL, the geometry just wasn't quite right. Although a 49cm frame the top tube was way too long for her short torso, the RS is a much better fit. So stripping the LeChampion and swapping out the crankset for a Shimano FC-R700 Compact was what we decided to do. Here are the final results.
__________________
"Never use your face as a brake pad" - Jake Watson
The Reloutionaries @ Shapeways
"Never use your face as a brake pad" - Jake Watson
The Reloutionaries @ Shapeways
#3
Ride it like you stole it
Thread Starter
WheresWaldo RS
What I wanted was a top end bike without the top end price. Not having to add $1000 more for the frame allowed me to buy some really nice wheels to go along with this bike. Here is how I ended up where it is now. Bought a BD Mercier Draco, all Dura-Ace. Stripped it and put the parts in a box. Ordered a set of wheels from Troy Watson at Ligero, bought a second set from Chucks Bikes. Ordered some lightweight parts, replaced a few bolts with Ti or Al where appropriate and the result was what you see here. It is 14.81# with the Ligero wheels, bottle cages, pedals, Edge hardware (sans Edge 305 itself). With the Gigantex wheels it sits at 15.69# (both heavier wheels and tires).
What I wanted was a top end bike without the top end price. Not having to add $1000 more for the frame allowed me to buy some really nice wheels to go along with this bike. Here is how I ended up where it is now. Bought a BD Mercier Draco, all Dura-Ace. Stripped it and put the parts in a box. Ordered a set of wheels from Troy Watson at Ligero, bought a second set from Chucks Bikes. Ordered some lightweight parts, replaced a few bolts with Ti or Al where appropriate and the result was what you see here. It is 14.81# with the Ligero wheels, bottle cages, pedals, Edge hardware (sans Edge 305 itself). With the Gigantex wheels it sits at 15.69# (both heavier wheels and tires).
__________________
"Never use your face as a brake pad" - Jake Watson
The Reloutionaries @ Shapeways
"Never use your face as a brake pad" - Jake Watson
The Reloutionaries @ Shapeways
#5
370H-SSV-0773H
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Penniless Park, Fla.
Posts: 2,750
Bikes: Merlin Fortius, Specialized Crossroads & Rockhopper, Serotta Fierte, Pedal Force RS2
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Wacky Willy's Pedal Force Plastique Fantastique
- repost of pic in original RS thread of my ss/fixie (driveway was in shade at time of pic, otherwise i would have used the obligatory garage door)... i love this bike and it's quite a comfortable ride...
- i did find that the top bearing of the shorty IS-2 Cane Creek headset sits a touch high in the upper headtube, but this ended up being a nice feature, obviating the need for multiple 'shim washers'...
- also, contrary to other postings, i have found the ID14 fork to be quite adequate for my beefy physique... cutting the fork carbon tube was a snap, accomplished in eight forward strokes with a brand new 32TPI hacksaw blade from Homeless Despot while the fork was clamped into my Park SG-6 saw guide...
- other parts were scavenged from my two-speed Specialized Allez conversion (see sig linky)...
- i was initially worried about the potential frameset appearance when i ordered 'with logos,' but as you can see, PF wisely chose to use diminutive artwork only on the headtube and tops of the fork, and not the obscenely grotesque layouts favored by most discount bike shops...
- i plan to put at least 3,000 miles on this bike before adding on some 9spd DA bling gear i have stashed away:
- repost of pic in original RS thread of my ss/fixie (driveway was in shade at time of pic, otherwise i would have used the obligatory garage door)... i love this bike and it's quite a comfortable ride...
- i did find that the top bearing of the shorty IS-2 Cane Creek headset sits a touch high in the upper headtube, but this ended up being a nice feature, obviating the need for multiple 'shim washers'...
- also, contrary to other postings, i have found the ID14 fork to be quite adequate for my beefy physique... cutting the fork carbon tube was a snap, accomplished in eight forward strokes with a brand new 32TPI hacksaw blade from Homeless Despot while the fork was clamped into my Park SG-6 saw guide...
- other parts were scavenged from my two-speed Specialized Allez conversion (see sig linky)...
- i was initially worried about the potential frameset appearance when i ordered 'with logos,' but as you can see, PF wisely chose to use diminutive artwork only on the headtube and tops of the fork, and not the obscenely grotesque layouts favored by most discount bike shops...
- i plan to put at least 3,000 miles on this bike before adding on some 9spd DA bling gear i have stashed away:
__________________
New Life for an Old Dog - Specialized Crossroads conversion
Pengie: TITANIUM BIKE CLUB #004
New Life for an Old Dog - Specialized Crossroads conversion
Pengie: TITANIUM BIKE CLUB #004
Last edited by linux_author; 02-28-07 at 01:37 PM.
#6
The mods changed this...
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 2,346
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
58cm w/ID14 fork
10v Ultegra drivetrain
FSA SLK crankset
Thomson Elite post
Thomson X4 stem
Cane Creek SCR5 brakes
Deda Newton deep bars
Flite Ti gel saddle
CB Quattro pedals
Ibis decals for effect...
#7
A Little Bent
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Struggling up a hillside in Vermont, USA... ..........................................
Posts: 2,858
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Hammertoe's Record RS
Well here it is...Kind of bittersweet...All that waiting and collecting parts...Now it's time for another project...
Changed the stem from FSA 115 110mm to Pazzaz 100mm...I find the bike to be very comfortable in the drops...
Total weight with 2 cages, pedals, and Garmin mount...15.7 lbs...
I got frustrated during the build...Campagnolo has its quirks...I cut the first cable too short...Then left the rest a little long...Bar wrap was not my best...
The most interesting thing I have found on my roller rides is how strange it seems not to have cables in the 'windshield'...I can see without obstruction...
Now I have to wait for the snow to melt...
Sorry about the lack of white garage door...We do not have a garage...
Well here it is...Kind of bittersweet...All that waiting and collecting parts...Now it's time for another project...
Changed the stem from FSA 115 110mm to Pazzaz 100mm...I find the bike to be very comfortable in the drops...
Total weight with 2 cages, pedals, and Garmin mount...15.7 lbs...
I got frustrated during the build...Campagnolo has its quirks...I cut the first cable too short...Then left the rest a little long...Bar wrap was not my best...
The most interesting thing I have found on my roller rides is how strange it seems not to have cables in the 'windshield'...I can see without obstruction...
Now I have to wait for the snow to melt...
Sorry about the lack of white garage door...We do not have a garage...
__________________
Last edited by Hammertoe; 02-28-07 at 04:40 PM.
#8
Banned
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: take your time, enjoy the scenery, it will be there when you get to it
Posts: 7,281
Bikes: 07 IRO BFGB fixed-gear, 07 Pedal Force RS
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time
in
1 Post
I had a chance to ride mine today, and I'm very pleased. The fit of the 61cm RS is much better than my 58cm Flyte, which was my main reason for buying it.
The first thing I noticed was how stable it seems compared to my Flyte. I'm using a 100mm stem with 42 cm bars because of my short torso, which made my Flyte feel a bit quick in the steering department, but it works fine on the RS.
The 6.5 mile climb into town seemed to take forever today(30-40 mph headwinds), but it gave me a good chance to get out of the saddle and mash on the pedals. The frame laughed at my puny power output.
The ride home was a high speed descent(48mph max)for about 4 miles and then about 2.5 miles of chipseal at speeds up to 40. My old Flyte would have rattled my teeth out at that speed, but the RS was very comfy.
So after my short test ride, I'd give it an A, pending any major quirks that pop-up next week when I get to put in some real saddle time.
61cm PF RS frameset
Token Omega CF headset
Ultegra 10 drivetrain
KMC X10SL gold chain
105 brake calipers(black)
Look 5.1 pedals
Neuvation R28 SL2 wheels
Michelin Pro2 Race tires
FSA K-Wing handlebars
PZ Racing stem+ seatpost
Selle Italia Pro-Link Gel saddle
ITM computer mount
Nokon cables
Salsa skewers
Chris King "Pretty and Strong" headset spacer
I'll update the photos(and weight it), if I ever get the pedals from PBK.
The first thing I noticed was how stable it seems compared to my Flyte. I'm using a 100mm stem with 42 cm bars because of my short torso, which made my Flyte feel a bit quick in the steering department, but it works fine on the RS.
The 6.5 mile climb into town seemed to take forever today(30-40 mph headwinds), but it gave me a good chance to get out of the saddle and mash on the pedals. The frame laughed at my puny power output.
The ride home was a high speed descent(48mph max)for about 4 miles and then about 2.5 miles of chipseal at speeds up to 40. My old Flyte would have rattled my teeth out at that speed, but the RS was very comfy.
So after my short test ride, I'd give it an A, pending any major quirks that pop-up next week when I get to put in some real saddle time.
61cm PF RS frameset
Token Omega CF headset
Ultegra 10 drivetrain
KMC X10SL gold chain
105 brake calipers(black)
Look 5.1 pedals
Neuvation R28 SL2 wheels
Michelin Pro2 Race tires
FSA K-Wing handlebars
PZ Racing stem+ seatpost
Selle Italia Pro-Link Gel saddle
ITM computer mount
Nokon cables
Salsa skewers
Chris King "Pretty and Strong" headset spacer
I'll update the photos(and weight it), if I ever get the pedals from PBK.
Last edited by BoSoxYacht; 03-01-07 at 07:48 PM.
#9
ES&D
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Roadieville, USA
Posts: 1,377
Bikes: 3Rensho, Merlin XL, Melton custom, Michael Johnson tandem, Look 481SL, Pedal Force RS
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Originally Posted by BoSoxYacht
You guys all got beautiful bikes, and, uhm, Hammertoe, you might want to pick another backdrop because it's almost like you and damocles1 live in the same house...
#10
A Little Bent
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Struggling up a hillside in Vermont, USA... ..........................................
Posts: 2,858
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Originally Posted by t4mv
Hammertoe, you might want to pick another backdrop because it's almost like you and damocles1 live in the same house...
__________________
#11
The mods changed this...
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 2,346
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Originally Posted by Hammertoe
Ha...That's the OUTSIDE of my house...Rough sawn hemlock siding...south facing stained cedar deck that needs to be re-stained...want to come help stain a house and a deck...
What is this "snow" you speak of? BTW, it was 70 here today...
Last edited by damocles1; 02-28-07 at 08:37 PM.
#12
Baby it's cold outside...
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: SK, Canada
Posts: 7,310
Bikes: Trek 5000, Rocky Mountain Wedge, GT Karakoram K2, Litespeed Tuscany
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
#13
Banned
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: take your time, enjoy the scenery, it will be there when you get to it
Posts: 7,281
Bikes: 07 IRO BFGB fixed-gear, 07 Pedal Force RS
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time
in
1 Post
Originally Posted by t4mv
BSY, how many grams did you save using your spiffy new "virtual rear derailleur cable" setup?
#14
OCP (Second Generation)
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: North Carolina
Posts: 189
Bikes: 2008 Cannondale Capo, Cannondale Road Tandem, Carbon Fiber Road Bike.
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Originally Posted by Hammertoe
Hammertoe's Record RS
Well here it is...Kind of bittersweet...All that waiting and collecting parts...Now it's time for another project...
Well here it is...Kind of bittersweet...All that waiting and collecting parts...Now it's time for another project...
#15
if x=byh then x+1=byn
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Sacramento, CA
Posts: 3,442
Bikes: See signature
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time
in
1 Post
At WheresWaldo's request, here are some of the pics I posted in my build thread a short time ago.
__________________
'00 TiSports Titanium - DA 9 speed------ '01 KHS Flite 800 - DA/Utegra 9 speed mix
‘02 Ellsworth Flight - Ultegra 10 speed -.'03 Basso Coral - Ultegra 10 speed
'03 Specialized Allez Pro - DA 10 speed .'04 Scattante CFR Limited - DA 9 speed
'05 KHS Flite 2000 - Ultegra 9 speed -... '06 Flyte SRS-3 - DA 9 speed-------
'05 Serotta Fierte - Utegra 10 speed--..-'07 Pedal Force RS - SRAM Force
'00 TiSports Titanium - DA 9 speed------ '01 KHS Flite 800 - DA/Utegra 9 speed mix
‘02 Ellsworth Flight - Ultegra 10 speed -.'03 Basso Coral - Ultegra 10 speed
'03 Specialized Allez Pro - DA 10 speed .'04 Scattante CFR Limited - DA 9 speed
'05 KHS Flite 2000 - Ultegra 9 speed -... '06 Flyte SRS-3 - DA 9 speed-------
'05 Serotta Fierte - Utegra 10 speed--..-'07 Pedal Force RS - SRAM Force
Last edited by blandin; 03-03-07 at 05:49 PM.
#17
Senior Member
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: California
Posts: 567
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3 Post(s)
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
61cm
17.4 lbs
Ultegra 10 speed with R700 compact crank
Thomson Elite
Specialized Alias
Deda Newton stem
Ritchey Biomax
Taxc Tao cages
Frogs!
17.4 lbs
Ultegra 10 speed with R700 compact crank
Thomson Elite
Specialized Alias
Deda Newton stem
Ritchey Biomax
Taxc Tao cages
Frogs!
#18
Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Blacksburg, VA
Posts: 4,850
Bikes: Yeti ASRc, Focus Raven 29er, Flyxii FR316
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 17 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
[QUOTE=WheresWaldo]WheresWaldo RS
What I wanted was a top end bike without the top end price. Not having to add $1000 more for the frame allowed me to buy some really nice wheels to go along with this bike. Here is how I ended up where it is now. Bought a BD Mercier Draco, all Dura-Ace. Stripped it and put the parts in a box. Ordered a set of wheels from Troy Watson at Ligero, bought a second set from Chucks Bikes. Ordered some lightweight parts, replaced a few bolts with Ti or Al where appropriate and the result was what you see here. It is 14.81# with the Ligero wheels, bottle cages, pedals, Edge hardware (sans Edge 305 itself). With the Gigantex wheels it sits at 15.69# (both heavier wheels and tires).
QUOTE]
Where did you get the Gigantex wheels? And what was the price? PM me if need be.
What I wanted was a top end bike without the top end price. Not having to add $1000 more for the frame allowed me to buy some really nice wheels to go along with this bike. Here is how I ended up where it is now. Bought a BD Mercier Draco, all Dura-Ace. Stripped it and put the parts in a box. Ordered a set of wheels from Troy Watson at Ligero, bought a second set from Chucks Bikes. Ordered some lightweight parts, replaced a few bolts with Ti or Al where appropriate and the result was what you see here. It is 14.81# with the Ligero wheels, bottle cages, pedals, Edge hardware (sans Edge 305 itself). With the Gigantex wheels it sits at 15.69# (both heavier wheels and tires).
QUOTE]
Where did you get the Gigantex wheels? And what was the price? PM me if need be.
#19
Ride it like you stole it
Thread Starter
Originally Posted by Duke of Kent
Where did you get the Gigantex wheels? And what was the price? PM me if need be.
https://www.chucksbikes.com/store/wh035.htm
__________________
"Never use your face as a brake pad" - Jake Watson
The Reloutionaries @ Shapeways
"Never use your face as a brake pad" - Jake Watson
The Reloutionaries @ Shapeways
#20
Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Cornhole, Iowa
Posts: 1,890
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Here is Robin's (although we didn't get it from pedal force).
__________________
Get on a cross bike.... you'll like it ;)
Get on a cross bike.... you'll like it ;)
#21
OCP (Second Generation)
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: North Carolina
Posts: 189
Bikes: 2008 Cannondale Capo, Cannondale Road Tandem, Carbon Fiber Road Bike.
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
I must say I like everyones bikes here but I think that I am going to toot my own horn and say that mine is the coolest.
pictures above^^^^^
pictures above^^^^^
#22
Member
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 41
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Should have my Record Pedal Force RS tomorrow...pictures soon. I saw it 2 days ago fully built minus the record chain which I hope has arrived by now.
briscoelab...looks like Vienna Acoustic setup with REL sub? What other gear are you using?
briscoelab...looks like Vienna Acoustic setup with REL sub? What other gear are you using?
#23
Ride it like you stole it
Thread Starter
Originally Posted by S4tuned
Should have my Record Pedal Force RS tomorrow...pictures soon. I saw it 2 days ago fully built minus the record chain which I hope has arrived by now.
briscoelab...looks like Vienna Acoustic setup with REL sub? What other gear are you using?
briscoelab...looks like Vienna Acoustic setup with REL sub? What other gear are you using?
__________________
"Never use your face as a brake pad" - Jake Watson
The Reloutionaries @ Shapeways
"Never use your face as a brake pad" - Jake Watson
The Reloutionaries @ Shapeways
#24
Senior Member
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Atlanta
Posts: 7,681
Bikes: Pedal Force QS3
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time
in
1 Post
blandin made the red accent work a lot better than I thought it would though I think he made a good call staying away from red tires.
WW did well with the deep rims but I think they scream for colored (can you say colored these days? maybe I should say minority instead) tires. I would like to see a carbon crank on it too.
Mine won't be ready for a month but I think I will be in the mix at the end of the day. I bought all-black and silver TACX bottle cages...not sure which to go with. I will top mine off with a frame decal that says "The Force" since it will be a Pedal FORCE frame, FSA K-FORCE stem and K-Force crank...might even get the SRAM Force brifters. The Force will definitely be with me.
WW did well with the deep rims but I think they scream for colored (can you say colored these days? maybe I should say minority instead) tires. I would like to see a carbon crank on it too.
Mine won't be ready for a month but I think I will be in the mix at the end of the day. I bought all-black and silver TACX bottle cages...not sure which to go with. I will top mine off with a frame decal that says "The Force" since it will be a Pedal FORCE frame, FSA K-FORCE stem and K-Force crank...might even get the SRAM Force brifters. The Force will definitely be with me.
__________________
15% Hammer Nutrition Discount Code
15% Hammer Nutrition Discount Code
Last edited by Dubbayoo; 03-02-07 at 07:45 PM.
#25
Lurking since Aug 05
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Peninsula, Bay Area, CA
Posts: 138
Bikes: Salsa Primero<br>2000 Fuji Team Cross<br>Pedal Force RS<br>Peugeot PN-10 (Late 80s, Super Vitus 980)
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
ChickenMonkey's RS
Hello-
Wow, everyone is building such great bikes...it's inspiring.
Here is mine:
RS 53 cm
ID4 fork
Cane Creek IS-8 Headset
Thomson Stem (120mm)
Speciaized Pro Ergo Bars (42 cm, shallow drop)
2006 Centuar Brifters
Centuar Brakes
Centuar Compact Front Derailleur
Ritchey Pro Compact Cranks
Ulterga Bottom Bracket
Veloce Rear Derailleur (Medium Cage - $40 bucks cheaper than Centuar)
SH 105 12-27 Cassette
Race X Light (ordered PF but they were out/offered this at same price)
Forte SLX Seat
Velomax Circuit Wheels
Michelin Krylion Carbon Tires
Forte Stainless Steel Bottle Cages
I haven't decided what pedals to get, so I'm on my old SPDs that sing like the birds in spring.
Thanks again to all who made this possible.
Wow, everyone is building such great bikes...it's inspiring.
Here is mine:
RS 53 cm
ID4 fork
Cane Creek IS-8 Headset
Thomson Stem (120mm)
Speciaized Pro Ergo Bars (42 cm, shallow drop)
2006 Centuar Brifters
Centuar Brakes
Centuar Compact Front Derailleur
Ritchey Pro Compact Cranks
Ulterga Bottom Bracket
Veloce Rear Derailleur (Medium Cage - $40 bucks cheaper than Centuar)
SH 105 12-27 Cassette
Race X Light (ordered PF but they were out/offered this at same price)
Forte SLX Seat
Velomax Circuit Wheels
Michelin Krylion Carbon Tires
Forte Stainless Steel Bottle Cages
I haven't decided what pedals to get, so I'm on my old SPDs that sing like the birds in spring.
Thanks again to all who made this possible.