New sport bike-why would I even want disk brakes?
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We need to make cycling great again by getting rid of disc brakes.
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I was simply speaking from experience in the area of maintenance as I have both hydraulic disc brakes and rim brakes on two different road bikes that have been ridden for a year each in the same, not particularly hilly, location. Of the two, the hydraulic disc brakes have needed 0 maintenance whatsoever and perform perfectly in all conditions with carbon rims, the same cannot be said for its rim-brake counterpart.
Also, if I decide to ride a bit away from Lake Michigan, there're plenty of hills taller than 400', Blue Mounds (raced as the national road race a decade or so ago), Cascade, (as noted, Rib Mountian) etc. The Madison Ironman is known as being a hilly bike course for a reason, and it is host to events like Horribly Hilly Hundreds which sports around 12,000' of climbing in just over 100 miles.
IMO the only reason to stick with rim brakes is that they are cheaper and in most cases slightly lighter, but maintenance and performance? Naaa
Also, if I decide to ride a bit away from Lake Michigan, there're plenty of hills taller than 400', Blue Mounds (raced as the national road race a decade or so ago), Cascade, (as noted, Rib Mountian) etc. The Madison Ironman is known as being a hilly bike course for a reason, and it is host to events like Horribly Hilly Hundreds which sports around 12,000' of climbing in just over 100 miles.
IMO the only reason to stick with rim brakes is that they are cheaper and in most cases slightly lighter, but maintenance and performance? Naaa
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Honestly, if those steep hills are part of my cycling every single day/week.. I'd use disc brakes, too.
But in reality, does anyone like to ride up or down steep hills every single day?
But in reality, does anyone like to ride up or down steep hills every single day?
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I'm in Great Lakes Randonneurs and have ridden all around Illinois and Wisconsin with both rim and disk brakes in all types of weather including the bleeding 600k on rim brakes last summer with over 20k' and about 12 hours of pouring rain. While there are few big-ish hills like Blue Mound mentioned above with curvy descents, the vast majority of hills in the region are short, steep, straight down-and-up that don't really require any braking at all. For me personally, there is no advantage to disk brakes riding around here. I also rode the Double Fudge Cookie Fondo earlier this year on rim brakes and that was totally fine too, but if I were getting a new race bike, it would almost certainly have hydraulic disks.
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I read a whole lot of complaints from disc users - like noise and frequent readjustment. Some ride in large groups and claim that the combined squealing of many bikes braking at the same time can be outrageous.
If I used carbon fiber rims, I wouldn't use rim brakes either. The combination seems kind of stupid.
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Only time in races I thought "I want disk brakes" is on technical mountain descents. For example Mt. Hamilton in California. I rarely do those, because I can't climb worth a damn. lol
That being said for training I do go in to the Santa Cruz "mountains", and when conditions are less then ideal it would be nice to have that consistent braking performance. I went for a ride with teammate last weekend who just got disk brakes. Usually I am faster on descents then him, this time around he was able to keep up easily. It was also wet, and with carbon rims I had to shift my braking point by at least 30-40ft. He could just carry more speed, more confidently and brake later.
If I were getting a new bike I would just go with disk brakes. It doesn't affect racing negatively, well there is a question of wheel hot swapping and brakes rubbing, and useful in training. Even with zwift longer rides on weekends I do outside.
That being said for training I do go in to the Santa Cruz "mountains", and when conditions are less then ideal it would be nice to have that consistent braking performance. I went for a ride with teammate last weekend who just got disk brakes. Usually I am faster on descents then him, this time around he was able to keep up easily. It was also wet, and with carbon rims I had to shift my braking point by at least 30-40ft. He could just carry more speed, more confidently and brake later.
If I were getting a new bike I would just go with disk brakes. It doesn't affect racing negatively, well there is a question of wheel hot swapping and brakes rubbing, and useful in training. Even with zwift longer rides on weekends I do outside.
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Hydraulic discs rarely need adjustment, unless you are swapping wheelsets that aren't setup for that bike. Pad material makes a big difference with noise. Resin pads are usually silent, unless they get wet. On a wet group ride, that can be a benefit. It lets you know that others are braking, without saying a word.
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Did a long descent with lots of water crossings and the pads were gone at the bottom, the lever was at the bars.
Did a mountain century in hard rain on my CAAD5 and the thick, black slurry from the rims was all over everything, including me.
I go through a set of rear pads on my rim brake road bike about every 6-8000 miles in the dry. I weigh 200 pounds, or so.
I was in the mountains with a friend when the brake track blew off his front rim, I've seen that happen a couple times.
I tried those peel-and-stick patches and had them melt and come off during hard braking where the rim got so hot I had to let it cool before trying to fix the flat.
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Hydraulic discs rarely need adjustment, unless you are swapping wheelsets that aren't setup for that bike. Pad material makes a big difference with noise. Resin pads are usually silent, unless they get wet. On a wet group ride, that can be a benefit. It lets you know that others are braking, without saying a word.
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Here are two examples of downhills that I hold KOM's on. Both KOM's were set on my gravel bike with discs and gravel tires, even though they are both smooth paved roads. I have ridden them enough to be totally familiar with the best lines, so the only difference was bike choice. The rim brakes simply cannot cope with the force that I was putting into them, so speeds had to stay lower so the bike wouldn't "run away" and send me flying off of a switchback or onto HWY 101 at 40+.
This one requires braking from 40 mph to 20 mph on a -13% grade for the switchback, then 43 to 10 mph on a -8% grade.
This one is so steep that the only time I could let it run out was the top bit before the first corner, in between a few corners in the middle, and then at the very bottom. I was alternating between dragging brakes and full-on rear-wheel-hovering braking. By the time I got to the bottom, the discs sounded like the T-Rex from Jurassic Park. The rim brakes made it so I couldn't ever let the bike run between corners, and had to alternate which wheel (front or rear) I was overheating based on the horrible grinding noise it started making.
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It's scary when rim brakes start making noise.
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Agreed. I usually take it to mean "something is changing in a system where changes are unwanted."
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I prefer disc brakes mainly for 3 reasons:
1) Performance - simply better
2) You don't get to wear your 2000$ rims by applying pressure on its sidewall constantly. Plus, disc brake wheels looks better IMO
3) Overall look. I find it more attractive (perhaps it's a generational thing). I'd rather have the black rotors though.
1) Performance - simply better
2) You don't get to wear your 2000$ rims by applying pressure on its sidewall constantly. Plus, disc brake wheels looks better IMO
3) Overall look. I find it more attractive (perhaps it's a generational thing). I'd rather have the black rotors though.
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Flame away, but I just wanted to register my current view on this and say that I'm out looking for some of the best race frames still available with rim braking. I'll reconsider disc brakes when I see every rider in the pro peloton running them, and even then I'll be skeptical about this.
When I joined the riding group i'm in now, I was the first with disc brakes. Now more than half of the riders are on disc. Times are a-changin' and you can decide whether you want to keep up or fall behind. Rest assured, your choice of braking systems will not affect your place on the leaderboard. The pluses and minuses of each system when compared are nearly a wash.
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I'm in Great Lakes Randonneurs and have ridden all around Illinois and Wisconsin with both rim and disk brakes in all types of weather including the bleeding 600k on rim brakes last summer with over 20k' and about 12 hours of pouring rain. While there are few big-ish hills like Blue Mound mentioned above with curvy descents, the vast majority of hills in the region are short, steep, straight down-and-up that don't really require any braking at all. For me personally, there is no advantage to disk brakes riding around here. I also rode the Double Fudge Cookie Fondo earlier this year on rim brakes and that was totally fine too, but if I were getting a new race bike, it would almost certainly have hydraulic disks.
On a different topic though, the Double Fudge Cooke Fondo was super fun! Except for the descents, I was death-gripping those brakes every time... ah well. I probably saw you out there somewhere
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Oh I wasn't making the point that you need disc brakes in Wisconsin. I was simply describing the environment in which I rode my rim brake-equipped bike and disc brake-equipped bike in 2018 and 2019 respectively. I then went on to make the point that I needed multiple replacements and adjustments for Rim-Brake and essentially no maintenance for Disc-Brake.
On a different topic though, the Double Fudge Cooke Fondo was super fun! Except for the descents, I was death-gripping those brakes every time... ah well. I probably saw you out there somewhere
On a different topic though, the Double Fudge Cooke Fondo was super fun! Except for the descents, I was death-gripping those brakes every time... ah well. I probably saw you out there somewhere
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Hydraulic discs rarely need adjustment, unless you are swapping wheelsets that aren't setup for that bike. Pad material makes a big difference with noise. Resin pads are usually silent, unless they get wet. On a wet group ride, that can be a benefit. It lets you know that others are braking, without saying a word.
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Yeah, no disc users are actually happy with their experience. Everybody knows that people are much more likely to go out of their way to express satisfaction rather than to vent frustrations.
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I think I mentioned that rain can cause noise when braking. I’m okay with that.
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I've done extensive reading of the threads I've posted, but some do get too long to read every single post. The point is that not everyone using disc brakes is happy with them. Many bikes have no other option, so you just have to deal with them. I may have them someday, but I have no need for them, or the greater cost and weight that comes with them.
Some posts mention warping rotors easily.
Some posts mention warping rotors easily.
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I've done extensive reading of the threads I've posted, but some do get too long to read every single post. The point is that not everyone using disc brakes is happy with them. Many bikes have no other option, so you just have to deal with them. I may have them someday, but I have no need for them, or the greater cost and weight that comes with them.
Some posts mention warping rotors easily.
Some posts mention warping rotors easily.
I've had some discs warp(temporarily) under extreme conditions, but rim brakes + those conditions would have put me off the road(and seriously injured).
The weight difference? You're kidding, right?
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