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Masters Worlds 2018

Old 10-10-18, 07:44 PM
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^^ Damn, that was tough to watch. Outright carnage.
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oh yeah, you definitely want to heed the video title there.
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Old 10-10-18, 08:31 PM
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Congratulations Sarals! Way to represent Norcal! Bronze in the 500m!
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Old 10-10-18, 09:13 PM
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Originally Posted by tobukog
Congratulations Sarals! Way to represent Norcal! Bronze in the 500m!
I'll second that motion. Nice work!
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Old 10-11-18, 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by queerpunk
heh, that was fabian keiser. somebody told me that he was the guy who was responsible for this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fge-LJw_iII
Keiser was the one at the back who went down just before Johnny Bairos hit the wall. In the video, it's a Venezuelan rider who co.es around and drops down on the French rider in the lead. French rider pushes pushed back as Venezuelan rider backs off, and the whole train derailed from there.
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ah. with the low-res, i couldn't make out much in the way of kits and personal details - couldn't identify the french kit and it looked like keiser's kit was a dutch kit. guess someone told me wrong.
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Originally Posted by taras0000
Keiser was the one at the back who went down just before Johnny Bairos hit the wall. In the video, it's a Venezuelan rider who co.es around and drops down on the French rider in the lead. French rider pushes pushed back as Venezuelan rider backs off, and the whole train derailed from there.
I mean, there's 'pushing back' and 'riding the rest of the field into the rail.' Yikes. The 'chain reaction' commentary was way off: that was intentional. Racing back in the day was NUTS
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Old 10-11-18, 11:19 AM
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Oh wow, I just watched it slowed down...2nd rider almost had his HEAD TAKEN OFF (he's the one you can clearly see out cold head first sliding down the track). That easily could have killed him or broken his neck.
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Old 10-11-18, 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by southernfox
Pretty shocked Keiser didn't get relegated in his first 1/4 final sprint in the 35-39.

WOW...and his 2nd one. This guy's a psycho.
Where in the stream can I find this? I skimmed the 10/8 and 10/9 feed, but must have missed this. Rought time mark if anyone has it. Thank you.
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Old 10-11-18, 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Jared.
Where in the stream can I find this? I skimmed the 10/8 and 10/9 feed, but must have missed this. Rought time mark if anyone has it. Thank you.
Keiser's heat 1 is about 1:38:00 in the 10/08 video.

edit -- and second race at 2:03:00.

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Old 10-11-18, 11:21 PM
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Thanks. Seems like such a waste to qualify fastest then ride like that.
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Old 10-12-18, 12:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Jared.
Thanks. Seems like such a waste to qualify fastest then ride like that.
Keiser spent almost a decade being pack fodder at the elite WC level. He's got speed and skills, and most likely an ego and insecurity about finally being able to win something, and that's most likely the reason for his behaviour.
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I've seen Cavendish do that very same move that Keiser did.

Notice how he looks back, then casually forward as he eases downtrack squeezing the guy. Cav did the same thing at the Rio Olympics and actually caused the guy to wreck.

They are expoliting the idea that they are not responsible for what happens behind them if they are doing a legal move. "Oooopsie! I didn't know anyone was there!"

And, yes, Keiser's move seemed to be legal as he was the lead rider and the sprint lane was not occupied (beside or ahead of him). A trailing rider cannot dive inside into the sprint lane and pass. They must pass on the outside.

Basically, it's a veteran trackie dick move.

(turn your volume down. loud music to avoid copyright issues)

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Old 10-12-18, 01:49 AM
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Skip to the 1:30 mark here to see Hoy pull the move on Bos in 2008 for the World Championship.


Totally legal.
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Originally Posted by carleton
Skip to the 1:30 mark here to see Hoy pull the move on Bos in 2008 for the World Championship.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lp5o6Z4sOss

Totally legal.
Would you say there's a distinction to be made between this and the others? To me it seems like while Hoy was responding to a move by his opponent, shutting the door on him so to speak, Keiser and Cavendish dropped on their opponents unprovoked.
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Old 10-12-18, 01:33 PM
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Broke a world record...held it for 10min...got beaten by the final rider *shrug*
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Originally Posted by seau grateau
Would you say there's a distinction to be made between this and the others? To me it seems like while Hoy was responding to a move by his opponent, shutting the door on him so to speak, Keiser and Cavendish dropped on their opponents unprovoked.
I would say that they are the same, with the magnitude of the moves being different (Hoy's being most dramatic and Kaiser's least).

Kaiser, knowing that his opponent isn't allowed to pass on the inside, purposely leaves the inside lane open. This is a legit strategy. It makes your opponent commit to the inside by burning a match...hit the brakes...then has to double-accelerate to come around the outside. That's hard af.


How many times have we seen light in the sprinter's lane in front of us and been lured by it...only to have it shut? That's what happened in the Hoy and Kaiser videos.
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Originally Posted by southernfox
Broke a world record...held it for 10min...got beaten by the final rider *shrug*
Which WR?

Your time?
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35-39 200m

It was a *really* slow 11.92. I was doing 11.7 at TTown. This was my first indoor 200m and I'm still getting used to how slow I can go without slipping, so I'm using too much energy in the windup. My splits were 0.063 apart.
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Originally Posted by southernfox
Broke a world record...held it for 10min...got beaten by the final rider *shrug*
Congrats! Is 10 minutes long enough to qualify for a mention in the record books?
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Originally Posted by carleton
I would say that they are the same, with the magnitude of the moves being different (Hoy's being most dramatic and Kaiser's least).

Kaiser, knowing that his opponent isn't allowed to pass on the inside, purposely leaves the inside lane open. This is a legit strategy. It makes your opponent commit to the inside by burning a match...hit the brakes...then has to double-accelerate to come around the outside. That's hard af.


How many times have we seen light in the sprinter's lane in front of us and been lured by it...only to have it shut? That's what happened in the Hoy and Kaiser videos.
Ahh yeah, I see what you mean. Jeez, sprinting is tough.
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Originally Posted by taras0000
Congrats! Is 10 minutes long enough to qualify for a mention in the record books?
No idea. If I do worlds next year I plan to beat it again
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Originally Posted by southernfox
No idea. If I do worlds next year I plan to beat it again
As I recall only one record per event is permitted in a 24 hour period.
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Originally Posted by southernfox
35-39 200m

It was a *really* slow 11.92. I was doing 11.7 at TTown. This was my first indoor 200m and I'm still getting used to how slow I can go without slipping, so I'm using too much energy in the windup. My splits were 0.063 apart.
Congrats! An awesome feat regardless of how long you held it for.
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Originally Posted by 700wheel
As I recall only one record per event is permitted in a 24 hour period.
Maybe that's per person? Because she gets the record for beating me.
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