caloso

Yeah, my buddy and I have this rule "Don't engage the natives" when we're on the bike trail. A lot of homeless with mental health and dependency issues, and they'll sometimes shout at riders. But this guy looked different, didn't look right. I'm glad we stopped too.

ancker

Halfway through the Tour of Sufferlandria. Doing most at 85-90% as I'm not trying to kill myself.

Unrelated: Got a "new" wheelset from eBay. Showed up today in 'clearly not new' state. Ugh. Now I have to deal with this.
My bad for not buying from a reputable source, but where else can you find decent deals on opened, but supposedly new stuff?

Ygduf

3x alpine intervals on the tt bike. purposely tried to take it easy on interval 1. watched power on interval 2. allowed the effort to get pretty ragged on interval 3.

demonstrates why HR is a **** metric, btw.

wktmeow

Blah. First interval felt fine, stretched it to finish off the lap at Fiesta Island and set a PR by a good margin, at just shy of 29 mph. 2nd interval I maybe didn't rest enough before starting it, legs felt super heavy and burning hard about 3 minutes in, so I stopped pedaling for a few seconds thinking of giving up, then started up again at closer to threshold, then found my legs again and finished off fairly strong. 3rd effort was a little better, and I didn't have to take a break, but still lower on power, though I managed to make a blowout effort at the end. Skipped the 4th because I was out of daylight.

Overall, pleased with aero test, not pleased with workout.

I had noticed I was feeling queasy at lunch today and yesterday, not sure if related.

Ttoc6

Today wasa recovery ride. Nice and easy. Watched my favorite episode of black mirror yet!

Generally when someone posts x%, they mean of their ftp. Which is not hour power, but for all intents and purposes is a good estimate for most people. Generally if we're going to base those percents off of "8 minute power", that should be (by definition?) 1/.90 or 111% of your ftp. Or at least this how I understand these things to work. Someone smarter than me is probably going to jump in and correct me soon though.

And for the record, I've never seen any plans that base intervals off of many data points besides ftps and time maxes. (eg aim for your 30 second max power)

mattm

3 hours after work.

Left super early (2:15!), but didn't get on the road until like 3:45.. by then the sun is behind the trees and my non-tan is just getting non-tanner. Bummer.

Erzulis Boat 

Took a year off.

Still have good power, but the endurance isn't there. It's in the legs, and not the lungs, so I am actually happy about that.

Had to pass some dudes on the road, (couldn't resist) and after I blow by, I realize that my ego was writing checks my legs couldn't cash. I did a slight course correction, took a hard left into some neighborhood, and blew up in the privacy of a wooded lane.

hubcyclist

90mins of z2 today, continuing recovery week.

Actually just got a beta invite to Virtugo (a zwift-like virtual riding app), will let folks here know how it is.

caloso

+1. I don't know anyone who'd say "I'm doing 5x5' intervals at 115% of my 8' power." For one, that's just too many things to keep track of.

TheKillerPenguin

3x15 @ 83% of goldencheetah ftp - obviously the most accurate ftp - yesterday. Aiming for a conservative, steady, buildup to normal fitness over the next few weeks. Feel better than I expected and had a lot more in the tank, but didn't really want to risk a gong show a couple of days after getting on track to general health. Will probably add an interval every time I do a tempo ride, and like 15-30min extra every endurance ride, until I'm back at my usual amounts of time in zone, which should take 2-3wks.

TMonk

90 min on my (new) fixie road bike this morning, 42/15, a fair bit of tempo (by HR) in there. Tonight I'll commute home z1/2 for another ~35 minutes. I'll do a big 5+ hrs surrounding a group ride on Saturday, some mellow MTB action with cousins on Sunday, and then generally take it easy until VoS.

caloso

Oh yeah, let's not even get started on GC ftp v. Training Peaks ftp.

hubcyclist

lol yeah hang around slowtwitch for some multipage arguing between the factions. There's some long standing drama there, apparently

Ygduf

I think I'd be a better TT rider if we had somewhere flat I could practice. 29mph solo sounds fun.

burnthesheep

I didn't write the book, but I bought it and use it. I assume the guys who wrote it know more than I do about it. But the "field test" is a best-of 2x8min.

Here it is in black/white:

revchuck 

The confusion is based on Carmichael's tendency to set intervals at X% of field test (8') power rather than FTP.

ETA: Shoot, I didn't read to the end of the thread before I posted...

jsk

Yeah that's a CTS thing, pretty much everybody else in the cycling world defines intensities relative to FTP, so most people will assume any percentage is relative to FTP.

That said there's a pretty strong argument that for above-threshold intervals, FTP-based zones have limitations. When you start talking about 3-5' VO2Max intervals, the percentage above FTP that different riders can hold will vary based on their physiology. The better training plans will recognize that and prescribe a range for these intervals, such as 110-120%; but it's up to the rider to figure out what they can actually do and it can be easy to end up undershooting and not getting the full benefit of the workout.

WKO4 comes uses a new approach, below-threshold training zones are based on the traditional FTP percentages, but the new iLevels define the above-threshold training zones and are based on the individual riders power-duration curve.

TMonk

I ran into @wktmeow and another teammate at Fiesta early this morning, chatting right at the causeway. @wktmeow was lookin' fast as hell with his skinsuit, TT helmet, deep wheels and velotoz!

rubiksoval

I'm like...4,526th or so in line.

Seems like it might take a while.

rubiksoval

Another reason to trash that book.

furiousferret

Spent the last 10 hours clearing out our spare bedrooms, getting flooring put in tomorrow and painting this weekend. We're having 4 people over for the funeral so we had to accelerate our remodel. Time on the bike is going to be shot the next few days.

I try to ride everyday, so missing so many days on the bike feels like the end of the world.

It is good were getting it done so we can host for the Redlands Classic.

spectastic

garmin says normalized power was 277. strava says np is 232. I dont have training peaks. it was more or less an interval ride. but what gives? 40w discrepancy is a lot

TheKillerPenguin

If you were doing 30sec things or something close to them, you can totally pump your NP to awesome levels of ridiculousness. It does not work nearly as well with the algorithm Strava uses, which weights above threshold efforts differently.

spectastic

it was a lot more like climb a hill for 4-5 minutes. z1 for a period of time. stand around waiting for others. rinse repeat. there were 2 sprints.

so basically, the garmin np is pretty much useless for anything that's not a tempo or threshold ride?

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Radish_legs

I love these freewheeling rides.
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