Need input on 1975 Wilier Triestina Ramata build
10-22-20, 01:27 PM
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Need input on 1975 Wilier Triestina Ramata build
Hello, it's my first time posting to bikeforums. I got into biking just a few years ago but decided pretty early on that someday I'd own a vintage Wilier Triestina Ramata; not anytime soon, but years from now after hopefully working through a few vintage Peugeots, Schwinns, Treks, etc first.
Well, due to a particularly tempting eBay listing and some egging on by my wife, I'm now in possession of this beautiful frame that I now feel a little intimidated to build. I'm pretty confident about the mechanical aspects, but I don't know about bike history/culture well enough to answer these questions:
(Ah, shoot, can't post photos yet.)
Edit: I put pictures in an album accessible from my profile if you care to see the frame.
Edit 2: Pics down below, thank you @bwilli88!
Well, due to a particularly tempting eBay listing and some egging on by my wife, I'm now in possession of this beautiful frame that I now feel a little intimidated to build. I'm pretty confident about the mechanical aspects, but I don't know about bike history/culture well enough to answer these questions:
- Campagnolo seems the obvious (only?) choice for groupset. But what suggestions do you have for stem/handlebars (Cinelli?), wheels, and saddle? Or just general suggestions for what parts you would build this frame up with, would be highly appreciated.
- Would it be a faux pas to put 1980s C-Record on this 1975 frame? i.e. aesthetically coherent but chronologically incorrect? Same with a Selle Italia Turbo 1980 saddle.
- I understand the lacquer on the cromovelato finish is pretty delicate; what treatment can I safely apply to make sure it looks its best and is protected?
- What is the norm for saddle/handlebar tape color from this era? I've always assumed these should default to being the same color, but all the most thoughtful-looking builds of vintage Wiliers I've seen have had a black saddle and white tape.
- Part of me wants to go restomod, spread the rear to 130mm and install modern Campagnolo group and wheels. I don't ever intend to sell this bike so resale value is not a concern, but as I learn more about bike history and culture is this something I'd be likely to regret? (I imagine this is pretty individual/subjective but would still value any thoughts.)
(Ah, shoot, can't post photos yet.)
Edit: I put pictures in an album accessible from my profile if you care to see the frame.
Edit 2: Pics down below, thank you @bwilli88!
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10-22-20, 01:37 PM
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To be honest I would do whatever you would like. C record, modern group, nuovo record group. Components can be changed. If you are going for a museum piece then build with period correct. Otherwise go with what makes you happiest.
If the rear is 120mm you can spread to 130mm but you may want to support the brake or chainstay bridges while spreading and generally be more careful. It has been done lots of times before but spreading a 126mm frame is generally easier.
If the rear is 120mm you can spread to 130mm but you may want to support the brake or chainstay bridges while spreading and generally be more careful. It has been done lots of times before but spreading a 126mm frame is generally easier.
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Thanks Narhay, that's very encouraging. Regarding the frame spreading, that's one of the tasks I would leave to a professional (Seattle area, no shortage of good LBSes).
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I have an ‘85 that was changed to Dura Ace with indexing shifters. Wish it had the original Campy but man is it smooth! Currently having a new clincher wheelset built with the Mavic hubs that were on the tubular wheels it came with. Braking surface was shot so decided to go clincher with the new ones.
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Wow, looks great! Thanks for sharing, it makes me want to hurry up with my build!
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Part of me wants to go restomod, spread the rear to 130mm and install modern Campagnolo group and wheels. I don't ever intend to sell this bike so resale value is not a concern, but as I learn more about bike history and culture is this something I'd be likely to regret? (I imagine this is pretty individual/subjective but would still value any thoughts.)
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Nice frame,
Nice frame,
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Thank you, @Andy_K. Your entire collection of bikes looks amazing!
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That's a beautiful bike!
Normally, I like white bar tape whenever I can use it, but I'd be worried that it couldn't hold its own with that gorgeous cromovelato. I think I might have to fall back on black in this case and let the cromovelato take center stage.
Normally, I like white bar tape whenever I can use it, but I'd be worried that it couldn't hold its own with that gorgeous cromovelato. I think I might have to fall back on black in this case and let the cromovelato take center stage.
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These old Triestinas remain high on my wish list. I wouldn’t feel right putting a modern STI group on this bike. For me, this would be akin to the Pinarello fixie occasionally seen around town.
Campy NR is probably the right choice but I’d likely hang SR on it as sort of a period-correct upgrade one might have done after owning the bike for a while.
Campy NR is probably the right choice but I’d likely hang SR on it as sort of a period-correct upgrade one might have done after owning the bike for a while.
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Beautiful bike! Congratulations!
Were it mine, I would:
Were it mine, I would:
- keep the Universal 68 brakes, and mount matching levers
- source the rest from a Campagnolo NR group
- mount a well-used Brooks Professional
- wrap the bars in red cotton ...
- ... to go with the shirt I'd want:
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Thank you all for the input! I am now leaning towards mostly 80's components and not sweating historical accuracy, but respecting the aesthetic. Really looking forward to building it up!
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Im guessing that’s what some previous owner of mine did as well. I wish it had Super Record but Dura Ace indexes so smoothly that I can’t find any good reason to replace it. These bikes are rare regardless of the groupset.
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What a treat; thanks for posting!
Fork crown is an Agrati item, stock number 026.8056, and is part of lug ensemble "SPORT" nr. 000.8050/E/U
another build ensemble you might wish to consider is the MAVIC 1000
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What a treat; thanks for posting!
Fork crown is an Agrati item, stock number 026.8056, and is part of lug ensemble "SPORT" nr. 000.8050/E/U
another build ensemble you might wish to consider is the MAVIC 1000
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Really nice frame and if you have the means you could spot-apply some acid solution to that forkcrown to eliminate the rust, I find phosphoric acid works faster than oxalic but Barkeepers Friend cleanser is another option. rinse with clear water and dry with a cloth. I would clean all the paint and then use a NON-CLEANER paste wax (hard to find an automotive version wax but Mothers makes one, otherwise try one made for fine furniture) so no chance of rubbing off or dulling the lacquer. Keep that wax around for periodic re-waxing.
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unworthy1 Thank you, I'll try those. Is "Mothers 05500 California Gold Brazilian Carnauba Cleaner Wax Paste" the wax you were referring to? (Sorry, I tried to post a link but still not up to 10 posts...)
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I'm with @plonz; long term, this is a NR/SR bike.
As far as cleaning it up; go gently as possible. Maybe start with a feather duster and hope that does the trick. It's chromovelato.
As far as cleaning it up; go gently as possible. Maybe start with a feather duster and hope that does the trick. It's chromovelato.
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Not the right wax. As unworthy1 pointed out you want a "NON-CLEANER" wax. Cleaner waxes have a fine abrasive substance in them that will hasten the demise of that beautiful but delicate cromovelato finish. I belive that Mothers makes a pure carnauba wax which would do the job.
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I really like to wax with the yellow can Johnson's paste wax, it has no cleaners.
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Yep (paste) wax is a topic close to my heart cause I used to do a lot of furniture work. The Mother's that is NON-cleaner does have either mostly carnauba wax or more likely as much as they can add and still have something spreadable, the can looks very similar to the easier-to-find "05500 California Gold Brazilian Carnauba Cleaner Wax Paste", but if you aren't brand-loyal to Mother's products I recommend Liberon (furniture) paste wax in "clear". Very mild solvents and very high grade wax, SC Johnsons (and many others that are cheap and easy to find) do not have abrasives (good thing) but often have nasty and very high levels of solvents (bad things). I avoid them on "general health principals" but gotta admit I have a big can (or 2) of Johnsons. Plus dozens of other brands. Tried them all until I decided Liberon was my mostly go-to brand.
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Super nice bike! Just purchased a mid 80's blue version of the Trestina. Of all the bikes I've brought to my LBS, this one got the most comments as to its beauty by far. It came with a full pantograph set of components, but the wheels and brakes are off for a mid 80's. Will rectify that and post some photo's. Does anyone know of a database / site that helps id the specific year via SN or ?? It has a first generation C Record rear derailleur, so going with 84 or so for now.
