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Old 04-01-09, 08:07 PM
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Can you read this? And could it be original?

Ok the frame for my new project arrived. On the top tube is an unusual decal that states "Handcrafted-by" and a name that looks like Jo something or other. I can't make out the last name. Maybe you can. But I'm skeptical that this is original. It's an Italian frame. Now 'Jo' might be a common Italian-American name but I wouldn't expect a genuine Italian Giuseppe to be going by Jo. Peppi maybe. Or Beppo. But Jo? They don't even have J's in the Italian alphabet. Well I don't know. Maybe. What do you think?

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Old 04-01-09, 08:24 PM
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Jo(e) Gardin? Italian Canadian

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Old 04-01-09, 09:42 PM
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Jo(e) Gardin? Italian Canadian

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Bingo! You nailed it. It seems to match the decal and even the location on this Gardin frame. So that raises the question, what's it doing on a circa 1976-78 Bottecchia? Was Gardin perhaps the Canadian distributor for Bottecchia during that period? Clearly he didn't "Handcraft" the frame.

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Old 04-02-09, 06:19 AM
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If I couldn't line up the BB with the seat cluster without making the seat tube look drunk, I don't think I'd be putting my name all over the bike.
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If I couldn't line up the BB with the seat cluster without making the seat tube look drunk, I don't think I'd be putting my name all over the bike.
Hmmm...maybe a bit too much vino rosso and that's how he put the decal on a bike he didn't even build

But where's T-Mar when you need him? I bet he would know if Gardin was ever a distributor for Bottecchia in Canada. Though that would still be a strange sticker to put on the bike.
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Define "build" or "handcrafted". It seems deceiving to me, but I suspect there's some rationalization there.
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Define "build" or "handcrafted". It seems deceiving to me, but I suspect there's some rationalization there.
LOL...you mean like, I unloaded the big cardboard box from the truck by hand and straightened the handlebars and tightened the nut by hand so that makes it "Handcrafted"?

Actually I'm pretty sure my frame was "handcrafted" if only because I don't think there were any robotic assembly lines up and running in Italy in the late 70's. Which isn't to say it wasn't crafted by many hands as it spun around a big carrousel with each hand adding a braze here and a braze there as it zipped past. Actually it doesn't look that bad for a hi-ten steel frame, probably better than the boom period frames. The tubes are even mitered in the bottom bracket. But it still wasn't handcrafted by Jo.
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Maybe Joe got it as a frameset, then "hand crafted" the rest of the assembly... just sayin' maybe...
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Maybe Joe got it as a frameset, then "hand crafted" the rest of the assembly... just sayin' maybe...
Hmmm, could be. I got it as a frameset so I can't say if the component spec differed in any way from factory standard. And for that matter I don't know exactly what factory standard would be for those model years anyway as they weren't typically imported to the US in that period. Bad timing too because as I was researching this I found out that Joe Gardin just recently passed away so there's no asking him.
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I think someone had a leftover signature sticker...
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Neat frame, in any event.
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