TIG vs. Lugs when geometry and material are identical
07-01-13, 07:46 AM
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TIG vs. Lugs when geometry and material are identical
So I'm lusting after some bikes. I'm looking at Wabi cycles and I'm considering the $695 Classic or $895 Special models. The geometry is exactly the same as is the tubing, Reynolds 725. The only difference is that the Classic is TIG-welded by hand while the Special is "hand brazed using all cast lugs." Basically TIG vs lugged. Is a lugged frame really worth an extra $200? Does it really provide a nicer ride or is it just retro-grouch aesthetics? I don't know if this should be in the mechanics sub-forum, but I didn't want to post in the FG/SS since they tend to a sarcastic and unhelpful bunch.
07-01-13, 08:14 AM
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You could try the Framebuilder forum. My guess is that for a buyer it's mainly asthetics. Lugs would probably take more prep work & labor.
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Lugs look better to some people, especially if they are hand painted. Welding is cheaper to manufacture. Welding does give the builder more options on frame angles. Any other functional difference depends mostly on the skill of the framebuilder.
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Both are entirely appropriate for bikes. TIG welding is more amenable to modern automated manufacturing. Some vintage steel alloys (e.g. Reynolds 531) don't take to welding well, but most modern steel alloys for bicycle tubing are optimized for TIG welding.
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They seem to just make SS/Fixie bikes ... flip a coin , it doesn't really matter..
https://www.wabicycles.com/bike_main_pg2011.html
for the builder, you have to buy lugs for each bike, and thats where the extra $200 goes..
TIG , once you own the welder , you just have to buy filler wire to make the bead/fillet..
https://www.wabicycles.com/bike_main_pg2011.html
for the builder, you have to buy lugs for each bike, and thats where the extra $200 goes..
TIG , once you own the welder , you just have to buy filler wire to make the bead/fillet..
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The classic lugged frame bikes were so much more elegant tho. Some from some of the frame builders were beautiful art.
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