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Old 07-16-19, 07:49 AM
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Originally Posted by aclinjury
ugh, I see that you're not up to date. The Pinarello broke first, which then caused the crash. It was not the crash that cause the break.
And yes, that slow corner is the same as "just riding along"

this is not to say carbon bikes are all fragile. But when manufacturers pursue lightest-possible approach when using carbon, then yes bikes (roadie) become fragile, such as demonstrated in stage 8 TdF
Can you cite the source of this astounding update? Most of the new sources have not updated anything that I see. Maybe you have inside information?
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Old 07-16-19, 07:52 AM
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Originally Posted by aclinjury
ugh, I see that you're not up to date. The Pinarello broke first, which then caused the crash. It was not the crash that cause the break.
And yes, that slow corner is the same as "just riding along"

this is not to say carbon bikes are all fragile. But when manufacturers pursue lightest-possible approach when using carbon, then yes bikes (roadie) become fragile, such as demonstrated in stage 8 TdF
Uh, Mike Woods admitted he messed up and caused the crash.
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Old 07-16-19, 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by aclinjury
ugh, I see that you're not up to date. The Pinarello broke first, which then caused the crash. It was not the crash that cause the break.
And yes, that slow corner is the same as "just riding along"

this is not to say carbon bikes are all fragile. But when manufacturers pursue lightest-possible approach when using carbon, then yes bikes (roadie) become fragile, such as demonstrated in stage 8 TdF
Wow if true that is scary.
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Old 07-16-19, 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Sasquatch16
Wow if true that is scary.
It's not true, so you can relax.
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Old 07-16-19, 08:41 AM
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Originally Posted by sdmc530

My parents have prepaid for everything. My dad always says all I need to do is die now. kind of nice knowing they took care of it now instead of leaving it up to us.
But do they have robot insurance?

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Originally Posted by sdmc530
this made me laugh!


My parents have prepaid for everything. My dad always says all I need to do is die now. kind of nice knowing they took care of it now instead of leaving it up to us.
Raj Koothrappali? Is that you?
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Originally Posted by OBoile
It's not true, so you can relax.
But in "todays" news cycle, if you tell a lie enough times, most will believe it's true.

It's called "Fake News".
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Originally Posted by Rajflyboy
No carbon fiber for me
A valiant attempt at a 'spontaneously assploding crabon' troll, but ultimately a fail.

"The Welshman [Geraint Thomas] went down at the base of the final climb of the day, 13 kilometres from the line. It was EF Education First's Michael Woods who hit the ground first, and a number of Ineos riders couldn't avoid the mini pile-up that ensued.

Thomas crashed head-first over the handlebars, landing on teammate Gianni Moscon's bike, leaving the Pinarello frame snapped in half while luckily avoiding any broken bones himself."

That's a report of Thomas' first-hand account. But of course, that won't matter here on teh Biek Forms.

Carry on
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Old 07-16-19, 09:03 AM
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Originally Posted by GlennR
But in "todays" news cycle, if you tell a lie enough times, most will believe it's true.

It's called "Fake News".
I think that's always been the case. It's just so much easier today to repeatedly broadcast a message (real or fake), so manipulating people has become more commonplace.
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Old 07-16-19, 09:17 AM
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I just want to report that because both of my parents are still living, all my bikes are metal.
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Old 07-16-19, 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by badger1
A valiant attempt at a 'spontaneously assploding crabon' troll, but ultimately a fail.

"The Welshman [Geraint Thomas] went down at the base of the final climb of the day, 13 kilometres from the line. It was EF Education First's Michael Woods who hit the ground first, and a number of Ineos riders couldn't avoid the mini pile-up that ensued.

Thomas crashed head-first over the handlebars, landing on teammate Gianni Moscon's bike, leaving the Pinarello frame snapped in half while luckily avoiding any broken bones himself."

That's a report of Thomas' first-hand account. But of course, that won't matter here on teh Biek Forms.

Carry on
So you are saying that carbon fiber bikes keep you from breaking bones? Go figure...they put titanium in your bones to fix them.
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Originally Posted by indyfabz
But do they have robot insurance?

https://youtu.be/g4Gh_IcK8UM
classic!!!!
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Originally Posted by aclinjury
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66SgHEHMaGA

Did Moscon's bike just really snapped in half? He didn't hit anything on the road. That's a nice clean break I say.
Did you see they said that a race team car of some team ran the bike over and destroyed it...crazy!
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ugh what? So Thomas fell on Moscon's bike and that caused it snap in half? Jesus christ how much does Thomas weight? 160 lbs max? STILL a fragile bike!!
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Originally Posted by aclinjury
ugh what? So Thomas fell on Moscon's bike and that caused it snap in half? Jesus christ how much does Thomas weight? 160 lbs max? STILL a fragile bike!!
Yeah, you’d think a race bike would be designed to support both the rider and a 160 pound projectile.

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if you want tough you need a Frejus Mod F4 = this one's about 50years proven tough.

And guaranteed Made in Italy.

edit: just came to me yesterday, and I have no idea what it will be!?!



And don’t tell me to slam that stem, that Nitto is already slammed.
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Originally Posted by aclinjury
ugh what? So Thomas fell on Moscon's bike and that caused it snap in half? Jesus christ how much does Thomas weight? 160 lbs max? STILL a fragile bike!!
You don't get it... and most likely never will.
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Originally Posted by aclinjury
ugh what? So Thomas fell on Moscon's bike and that caused it snap in half? Jesus christ how much does Thomas weight? 160 lbs max? STILL a fragile bike!!
You understand that it was the team car, running over the bike, that caused it to break as it did, right?

Just checking.

It is OK if people don’t like CF bikes, they are not for everyone. But don’t use this incident to justify your dislike.

Peace out!
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Old 07-17-19, 06:48 AM
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Originally Posted by tagaproject6
So you are saying that carbon fiber bikes keep you from breaking bones? Go figure...they put titanium in your bones to fix them.
Don’t you know, CF bikes are the new airbags.
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Originally Posted by eja_ bottecchia
You understand that it was the team car, running over the bike, that caused it to break as it did, right?

Just checking.

It is OK if people don’t like CF bikes, they are not for everyone. But don’t use this incident to justify your dislike.

Peace out!

Yep after the bodies hit the deck the bikes were all rideable until a team car then drove over it. I don’t think any bike will survive that.

Haters will always hate no matter the justification.
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Originally Posted by aclinjury
ugh what? So Thomas fell on Moscon's bike and that caused it snap in half? Jesus christ how much does Thomas weight? 160 lbs max? STILL a fragile bike!!
So much logical fallacy.
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Originally Posted by aclinjury
ugh what? So Thomas fell on Moscon's bike and that caused it snap in half? Jesus christ how much does Thomas weight? 160 lbs max? STILL a fragile bike!!
Why do you feel so threatened by carbon bikes?
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ugh what? So Thomas fell on Moscon's bike and that caused it snap in half? Jesus christ how much does Thomas weight? 160 lbs max? STILL a fragile bike!!
Either stupid or a liar or both.
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sorry, can't think of many bikes that can survive being run over by a 4000lb car (1814kg for you metric folks).
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I don't happen to be a CF bike fan but it's basically because I'm a recreational rider who can buy, say a CAAD 12, that will get me everything I can use for a significant discount over a CF bike. It's not because I think a CF bike is going to disintegrate in the middle of a ride.
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