livedarklions

Cauliflower is a cultivar that doesn't occur naturally. Our bodies were therefore not designed to eat cauliflower. While scientists say there is no evidence that cauliflower is unsafe, they said that about smoking cigarettes and they were REAL wrong.

It's terrible reasoning, you can do that for almost everything we ingest in one form or another. I've seen people make the same claims for cooking food, insisting everything has to be raw.

livedarklions

I think this is the real source of the antipathy--people don't like it as a fashion statement.

Rationally, there's no evidence it's a harmful practice.

BTW, I've never vaped and don't intend to. I know the "you have a dog in this fight" argument is coming next, so I figure I'll just head it off.

1979schwinn 

Look at the 1953 TDF video on You-Tube. Most of the riders smoked, interesting.
They were self supporting back then, most have 4 tubes they wear across their chest, interesting times.

medic75

A Toronto cardiologist who has done the research and does his best to educate others on the good that vaping can do for the smoking public. When it comes to peer review, most of his colleagues are on board with him.

HPL

Nicotine can KILL. I am a health specialist, and while it is hard to "overdose" it can happen, especially with the liquids for vapes; but it depends on body size, health conditions, method of delivery, etc. Smaller adults, and especially children and pets are much more susceptible to poisoning via accidental ingestion. The "other stuff" in tobacco is commonly present in just about all botanicals when burned; just in higher or lower concentrations. Smoking cannibis presents a similar situation except for the addictive nicotine is not present, jury is still out on how addictive cannabis is considering the increased THC levels existing in the cannibis commonly found nowadays which is "not your Dad's weed" from yesteryear.

We use poison every day in healthcare, but a poison given in the correct doses to create the desired result is often lifesaving; it's called medicine at that point. Go out and pick some foxglove flowers, poisonous; but when used for certain heart conditions, the digitalis can save your life. There are many examples of this in the medical field.

By the way, my personal irritant is the term "medical marijuana". We don't call morphine "medical heroin", but essentially it is. Chemicals within the cannabis plant should be broken down and called what they are. People seem to love their CBD, but many don't know what it means or what it is; just that it comes from "POT", but I'm all for alleviating pain and discomfort so use what works for you.
Jumping off my "low horse" now, but I could go on ad nauseam.

medic75

The same can be said for everything. Children ingest adult medication accidentally every day - any attempt to make nicotine seem more dangerous than the thousands of other substances that are accidentally ingested every day only makes it look like you have an agenda. The poison control hotline keeps track of the calls they get and the substances reported. Interestingly enough, this hotline was up and running long before nicotine was available in non-tobacco forms. This proves that there are other poisonous substances that can poison you and kill you and poisonings were common enough to create a nationwide hotline. OTC and prescription medications are at the top of the list for calls to the poison control hotline. These medications are NEVER singled out as being dangerous because, if used other than directed, they can kill you. If you set out to find something bad, you will find it, even if it takes unrealistic methods. Using this method of thinking, and the fact that there were 722 cycling related deaths in the USA in 2012, I can safely say that cycling is more dangerous that e-cigarettes and their associated products.

Many of us unknowingly ingest nicotine every day. It is naturally present in many of the vegetables that we eat.

Maelochs

I sometimes ride with a very fit, fairly quick (hard to know how fast he is because he can easily drop me, and then he's just gone ... ) who likes to stop for a vape break in the middle of a long ride.

Same deal as that which others describe---former smoker who switched to what is essentially a health-neutral alternative.

He enjoys vaping, he enjoys riding, he pretty much enjoys life. People who enjoy tearing down people on the internet for not being clones are just having fun in their own ways.

Maelochs

As far as "nicotine can Kill .... " Dihydrogen ****xide is a potentially lethal chemical which surrounds us .... in fact, almost every one of us brings at least one container on his or her bike, and Deliberately ingests it during rides. And none of us think twice.

Yet Dihydrogen ****xide is responsible for 1.2 Million deaths per year worldwide.

People! STOP ingesting this potentially deadly chemical. Dihydrogen ****xide can KILL!!!!!!!!!

(https://www.ilsf.org/drowning-facts-and-figures/)

downhillmaster

You lost me at ‘accidentally’
It never ceases to amaze me how many seemingly high functioning adults are damn near brain dead.

Kedosto

This one's gonna be interesting.


-Kedosto

Maelochs

Dude, if you refuse to reinforce my contrafactual prejudices ... you and I are gonna have problems ....

livedarklions

Yes, one can ingest a toxic level of nicotine, but you basically have to drink the stuff--I looked it up, and there's a case where someone actually injected it intravenously. People have apparently attempted to kill themselves by drinking it. However, even if you do poison yourself with the stuff, the mortality rate is extremely low, episodes of Columbo notwithstanding.

By that light, however, virtually everything "can kill". You can poison yourself by ingesting too much salt, for example. It is easy to give one's self alcohol poisoning--passing out is essentially an induced coma.

You can also do yourself great harm by ingesting too much nutmeg, cinnamon, cassava, and licorice root, btw.

Keep the stuff out of reach for children, don't drink it or shoot it, and poisoning yourself by vaping is virtually impossible.

I do remember an amusing incident about 30 years ago when a friend of mine was smoking while wearing a nicotine patch and chewing nicotine gum, all the while eating chocolate covered espresso beans, and wondering out loud why he was getting headaches.

nomadmax 

I had to look up "cultivar"

medic75

Okay. Small kids and animals intentionally ingest many things for many reasons. They, as a rule, don't do it with the intent of harming or killing themselves via poisoning or overdosing. With that being said, the poisoning or overdosing is "accidental".

Wilfred Laurier

A customer at a shop where I used to work was an older gent, Mike, who was maybe in his early 70s. He came with us on some shop road rides a few times and was impressively fast. Then we all went for beers after and he disappeared for a few minutes then returned. Turns out he had gone for a smoke, and didn't want the derisive glares he expected to get from the bicycle group for smoking.

Anyhoo, this is just a story to show that there are cyclists who smoke.

Epilogue:

Mike died of lung cancer a few years ago.

livedarklions

What's the proper perspective? If it's pretty benign stuff, why is it any weirder than eating a hot dog on a bike ride?

Since I'd die without water, I tend to take it over lots of stuff any day. I sure as hell would take it over a Clif bar. Blecccch.

trailangel

Hey.... Enjoy The Day While You Are Still Alive.

boozergut

Thread winner!!!

Editz

Correct. It destroys your lungs in new and fun ways as is slowly being discovered by scientific study.

Marci

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/321960.php
Not good for your lungs. And I have some pretty severe lung damage from my Sarcoidosis and the smoke or vape from anything gets me coughing. Its why even if I start up a hill in first place on our bike rides I am passed by everyone else, I am gasping for breath at the top. I never smoked beyond the few stolen ones in a field shared by a friend and I at age 10.
Why someone would with all we know about it choose to damage their lungs is insane. And vaping is no better, but they are known to blow up on you to boot. I just read an article how one blew up in someones face and they broke their jaw, lost teeth and had to have facial surgery.

Maelochs

Desp[ite the unfounded claims being made by people who have strong opinions and zero facts, vaping is just inhaling steam not hot enough to cause burns. People with sensitive lungs might find it irritating ... but by definition they find almost anything irritating to their lungs. Not the people who should be setting the standard for others' inhalation options.

And in any case .. . OPTIONS.

What happened to "Land of the Free, Home of the Brave"?

If some person wants to smoke cigarettes, or vape, or run ultra-marathons, eat meat or eat vegan, exercise a lot of not at all ... SO WHAT? When did the concept of personal freedom evaporate?

yeah, the fat smoker might incur higher health-care costs---but he might have great insurance. i might be healthy ... but I have crappy insurance, and if I get crash on my bike I might be a greater burden on the health-care system than the overweight smoker. And in any case ... We ALL pay for the privilege of Freedom to live the lives we think are best for each of us. All you people coming here prescribing the best life for everyone else ... get bent. You have no more right or authority to demand any others live any certain way than I have to insist that you grow up and stop telling everyone how to live.

Put that in your Vuse and vape it.

Wilfred Laurier

Freedom costs a buck - oh - five

stephanlinn

nuff said

oldbear63

I occasionally puff on a tobacco pipe. The effects of a nicotine overdose, at least for me is nausea and general malaise. Getting a lethal dose would involve first getting past extreme discomfort and nausea, in other words, unlikely.

Maelochs

I was diagnosed with asthma at the age of five. One of the first medications I was given---which used my lungs to deliver chemicals to my bloodstream.

Care to try again?