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Old 11-02-19, 11:45 AM
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Chorus vs Chorus and Record mixed groupset resale value

Hey guys,

Hope you're all doing great and that you're enjoying the fall. This is one of my favorite seasons (they all have something), but I love the chilly wind and the sound of the leaves when I'm on my bike.

I'm planning my new build and I'm thinking about putting either a full Campy Chorus groupset or a mixed groupset with Chorus and Record parts (10-speed). This will be for my top of the line all time favorite: the extraordinary Vitus 992. It came with a full Shimano 600 tricolor 7-speed groupset. I think it's a fair upgrade.

Now my question is: which has a better resale value, full Chorus or a mixed Chorus and Record groupset?

To be more specific, the mixed groupset would contain the following:
Brifters: Chorus
FD and RD: Chorus
Brakes: Record
Crankset: Record
BB: Chorus
Cassette: Chorus or Record

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Probably the straight Chorus, though it depends a little on the year perhaps. I prefer the 4 arm Record cranks visually. I don't think it matters all that much, unless you're talking NOS or mint, in which case some might prefer Chorus - to swap onto a different bike.
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Probably the straight Chorus, though it depends a little on the year perhaps. I prefer the 4 arm Record cranks visually. I don't think it matters all that much, unless you're talking NOS or mint, in which case some might prefer Chorus - to swap onto a different bike.
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What is it you have against my Vitus?
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Originally Posted by Mushrooom View Post
What is it you have against my Vitus?




Moi? Rien de tout. J'en ai un aussi.


I'm sure you know they don't get much love, generally speaking. C'est vrai, non?


I'm trying to swap mine for a smaller frame (61 cm down to 58-55) No bites on sales at $195. For a TDF winnlng frame, I call that not much love... N'est ce pas?


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I'd recommend lotto tickets.

Better investment than bike parts.
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Originally Posted by Last ride 76 View Post
Moi? Rien de tout. J'en ai un aussi.


I'm sure you know they don't get much love, generally speaking. C'est vrai, non?


I'm trying to swap mine for a smaller frame (61 cm down to 58-55) No bites on sales at $195. For a TDF winnlng frame, I call that not much love... N'est ce pas?


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You're very right my dear. It's a real shame. But I think it is due to them being somewhat rare, rather than people don't liking them. You can't really dislike something you haven't tried, know what I mean?

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I'd recommend lotto tickets.

Better investment than bike parts.
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Not thinking on reselling, I'll never part with this one. It's my favorite bike after all. I was just wondering if it would be better for me to build it with the full Chorus gruppo or a mix of Chorus and Record parts. I like the idea of saving a couple of grams here and there for something aesthetically almost identical. But I want my bike to stay classy and if keeping all the parts of a groupset is the way to go, then I guess that's what I'll be doing.
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I'd recommend lotto tickets.

Better investment than bike parts.

I dunno, I heard carbon fiber bikes keep going up.
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Just wondering here. Can you spread the rear triangle to get a 10-speed wheel into it without risking the integrity of the frame?

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Just wondering here. Can you spread the rear triangle to get a 10-speed wheel into it without risking the integrity of the frame?

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I wouldn't do that with an aluminium frame. Some say it could take it. I prefer not to risk it, personally. I had a nice Shamal set I wanted to put on this bike and had to skip for this exact reason.
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I wouldn't do that with an aluminium frame. Some say it could take it. I prefer not to risk it, personally. I had a nice Shamal set I wanted to put on this bike and had to skip for this exact reason.
The spreading of an aluminium frame like a Vitus could easily wreck the frame which is why I pointed out that going from 7 to 10 speed would require spreading it.

If the existing 7 speed cassette body is Hyperglide then you can use part of the 7 speed cassette on it.

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Record or nothing.
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Originally Posted by Miele Man View Post
The spreading of an aluminium frame like a Vitus could easily wreck the frame which is why I pointed out that going from 7 to 10 speed would require spreading it.

If the existing 7 speed cassette body is Hyperglide then you can use part of the 7 speed cassette on it.

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The wheels and cassette are already in there and fit perfectly well. Don't know if it is just coincidence. Other wheels I tried (Campagnolo Shamal and Fulcrum Racing 1) didn't fit, but now I have Campagnolo Eurus with a 10 speed Chorus cassette and it sits there just fine. Didn't have to stretch the frame for that.

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Record or nothing.
Hehe. So would you prefer having some record parts rather than none? Like the calipers and the crankset as in my case?
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Originally Posted by Mushrooom View Post

Hehe. So would you prefer having some record parts rather than none? Like the calipers and the crankset as in my case?
No. I prefer bikes with consistent parts throughout. Back in the 80's and 90's groups were groups. Somewhere along the way manufacturers starting substituting individual parts.

But its not my bike, its yours so build it to your liking.
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BTW 7 speed cassette hubs were available in both 126mm and 130mm which explains why the 7s hub fits. While opinions will vary, depending on the year, Chorus and Record may not be an upgrade.
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I think in this thread it's kinda useless to debate or even banter about Chorus versus Record without-addressing and understanding the basics of your situation. One of them is knowing if the fame can accept or can be set to accept a 130 mm rear wheel. It seems clear the OP wants to ride the bike in addition to worship it. So it needs to be a gearing of a configuration that will be useful. But, double? triple? standard road gearing? Compact? 3x6? 1x12? or what? And what vintage is the frame, and what vintage of Campagnolo do you want?

Have you looked at the Retro Roadies thread? A lot of options have been tried in the past - in general vintage steel performance frames build up with properly-fitting and set up Campy or Shimano indexing systems have really great performance and are a blast to ride. For mine, it's to ride (may be a little worship) rather than to sell, so as far as price I only have to not feel I am being excessive. Even more, fit of the frame and its ability to let you set up your contact points as they need to be, is still absolutely critical.

Modern nearly new Campagnolo is pricy and price is sensitive to "level." Performance of the parts is not always sensitive to level, but it does depend on properly detailed setup. I have a bike with a 1997 Mirage wide-range triple with Ergopower that is a marvelously well-behaved, same for a compact 2x10 built of a mix of Campy components that suit each other for that 2x10.

I wouldn't worry about Chorus v. Record, overly.

One thing that is absolutely worth having on your bike is the Generation 3 Ergopower levers. I like the Gen 1 and Gen 2, but the Gen 3 are a big step forward.
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Originally Posted by Mushrooom View Post
The wheels and cassette are already in there and fit perfectly well. Don't know if it is just coincidence. Other wheels I tried (Campagnolo Shamal and Fulcrum Racing 1) didn't fit, but now I have Campagnolo Eurus with a 10 speed Chorus cassette and it sits there just fine. Didn't have to stretch the frame for that.



Hehe. So would you prefer having some record parts rather than none? Like the calipers and the crankset as in my case?
You're really fortunate that the new wheels fit. Congratulations.

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Originally Posted by Road Fan View Post
I think in this thread it's kinda useless to debate or even banter about Chorus versus Record without-addressing and understanding the basics of your situation. One of them is knowing if the fame can accept or can be set to accept a 130 mm rear wheel. It seems clear the OP wants to ride the bike in addition to worship it. So it needs to be a gearing of a configuration that will be useful. But, double? triple? standard road gearing? Compact? 3x6? 1x12? or what? And what vintage is the frame, and what vintage of Campagnolo do you want?

Have you looked at the Retro Roadies thread? A lot of options have been tried in the past - in general vintage steel performance frames build up with properly-fitting and set up Campy or Shimano indexing systems have really great performance and are a blast to ride. For mine, it's to ride (may be a little worship) rather than to sell, so as far as price I only have to not feel I am being excessive. Even more, fit of the frame and its ability to let you set up your contact points as they need to be, is still absolutely critical.

Modern nearly new Campagnolo is pricy and price is sensitive to "level." Performance of the parts is not always sensitive to level, but it does depend on properly detailed setup. I have a bike with a 1997 Mirage wide-range triple with Ergopower that is a marvelously well-behaved, same for a compact 2x10 built of a mix of Campy components that suit each other for that 2x10.

I wouldn't worry about Chorus v. Record, overly.

One thing that is absolutely worth having on your bike is the Generation 3 Ergopower levers. I like the Gen 1 and Gen 2, but the Gen 3 are a big step forward.
Hey there,

You sorted out my feelings about this bike astonishingly well: I'm looking for maximum performance, all while cherishing it profoundly. This is not a bike I'm going to get dirty with.

I already put the right wheels in there to make sure I wouldn't have any unwanted surprises: Campy Eurus with a 10-speed Chorus cassette. Everything fits perfectly and the frame is happy as a clam.

For the moment, everything will be set up with a 2x10 Chorus groupset, 2nd generation I think. Only the RD and brifters will be 3rd generation with some carbon here and there. I would very much like to put a newer crankset in there, but that will have to wait unfortunately.

Here's a picture of the crankset:
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I used a mixed Record / Chorus alloy gruppo on my "last bike I'll buy" DiNucci. Its a fantastic built, smooth running and NOT all black. I had been saving that gruppo for a while.

I think you'll find that having the 110 BCD (compact) cranks in the mix will give you a much better "resale value".

I don't think the Chorus cranks came in an alloy, square taaper 110 BCD, they went to carbon that year. I have a set like that.

however there's no established market, really, it's just about finding a buyer who wants "exactly" what you are selling at that particular time. Eventually, yes, the "alloy" look may command a market premium.

you are probably money ahead by parting out your gruppo piece by piece.

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So my road bike has 10 speed Chorus. I never considered the bike Vintage whatsoever. It's early 00s Tallerico. Sure it's steel but can a 17 lb bike I'd race Cat 3 on (if I still had those legs) be C&V?

It's a great groupset. Solid performance and low maintenance. I did (gasp) switch the crank to a Carbon 11 speed compact. Too many of my rides have miles of 8+ percent grade.

I wouldn't worry about value or purity of the thing. After all, you can still buy most of the parts new.
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So my road bike has 10 speed Chorus. I never considered the bike Vintage whatsoever. It's early 00s Tallerico. Sure it's steel but can a 17 lb bike I'd race Cat 3 on (if I still had those legs) be C&V?

It's a great groupset. Solid performance and low maintenance. I did (gasp) switch the crank to a Carbon 11 speed compact. Too many of my rides have miles of 8+ percent grade.

I wouldn't worry about value or purity of the thing. After all, you can still buy most of the parts new.
You may have a good point there: my bike is definitely more classic than vintage, that's for sure... Specially once I install this new groupset in there. I think it's one of the latest 992 models, maybe that's why the 10-speed cassette could fit. I'm guessing early 1990s, probably 1992. Anyway, thanks for the input!
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