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Old 06-07-15, 09:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Rowan
A knight of the realm, no less.

(a) I wonder if he cycling cohorts go around calling him Sir Bradley, as is English protocol, or if he's still just Wigs or whatever other contraction of his name happens along.

(b) The fact that the realm is so ready to hand out knighthoods to someone whose claim to fame is winning a grand tour cycling race (albeit the first Englishman to do so), sort of dilutes its value. I wonder what they would have done if Alberto Contador was English -- given him Canada or Australia as a gift?
You consider those places gifts? You set the bar pretty low. I would at least hold out for a set of cuff links.
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Originally Posted by RollCNY
Why would apex have a plural? It is a singular superlative. Much like Highlander's, there can be only one.
Consider, if you will, the apices of five mountains.
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Originally Posted by Rowan
Fixed that for you!
Right. Like we should take advise from folks who pronounce Beaulieu, Bewley.
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Originally Posted by rpenmanparker
Consider, if you will, the apices of five mountains.
Vermont has some infamous rides involving multiple mountains, particularly gaps... Six Gap Ride, LAMB ride...
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Awesomeness....So, basically the idea of a TT is to hold your FTP throughout the effort?
The idea of a TT is to go as fast as you can. But because you can't draft off of anybody else, your only options are to improve aerodynamics and/or power output.

Since your FTP is the maximum power you can hold for 1 hour, in a 1 hour TT, the idea would be to hold FTP throughout the effort. Or maybe more if you've been training a lot and the FTP you've been using is now out-of-date, too low.

For a TT less than an hour, you should be able to ride it at an power output higher than your FTP but I'm not exactly sure what the ideal number would be. In my instance, my coach told me what power number he thought I should start with and how to go about deciding where to go from there throughout the rest of the race. I always do better with a pretty specific game plan, so I figured out in advance what power numbers I thought I'd be able to accomplish at each point in the race, then predicted what my ave power would be for the 20K and I was actually within 1 watt of that by the end. Knowing my average power, I also could work out approximately how long the ride would take me and I wound up 1 min 20 sec faster than that. Knowing my speed was helpful for pacing, its good to know whether you have 10 min left vs 12 min left.

The trick is that its all about pacing and the application of even power output. Whatever your target ave power is for the TT, you don't want to achieve it by riding lots of highs and lows. Every time your power is too high over FTP, you wind up in anaerobic metabolism and there's only so much time you can spend there before your legs will be cooked. So you wind up fighting to be conservative when your brain is telling you that you are in a race and should be going as fast as you can. But not too conservative, lest you wind up too slow. Then there's the wind and the road undulations, all kinds of things that are conspiring in any given moment to make your power either too low (ie too slow) or too high (ie too anaerobic). Its actually a very interesting thing to try to do.

The thing that really blew my mind looking at the data is how high my HR was, I was over LT by a good margin pretty much the entire time. I knew it as I was riding and knew that the power readings trump the heart rate readings, so I didn't really change what I was doing. In theory, it should have been ok. But it was crazy, I almost never have HR readings over 165 bpm and I was pretty much around 170 the entire time. My official story is that I could have ridden a little harder but the HR suggests maybe I couldn't have.

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Originally Posted by rpenmanparker
Lefty losey. Righty tighty. Except for the left petal and the write side cup of a BSA bottom bracket.

...fify. Also, none of this helps me work on breaks, which are a constant issue unless you have discs, which apparently work grate.
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Originally Posted by Rowan
A knight of the realm, no less.
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Originally Posted by 3alarmer
...fify. Also, none of this helps me work on breaks, which are a constant issue unless you have discs, which apparently work grate.
Some rotors do seem like they'd make great cheese graters.
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Originally Posted by rpenmanparker
Consider, if you will, the apices of five mountains.
Not the kind of apices I was thinking of...

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All this talk of apices reminds me of:

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Originally Posted by BillyD
Welcome to almost-summer. (For all us northern hemisphere types.)

Of course I could barely tell by todays chilly weather:

1) I had to put back on a fleece sweater that was already put away, and

2) I'm going to have to put the comforter back on the bed this evening.

Yeah, summer is right around the corner.

What's the goal of this post?
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Originally Posted by LesterOfPuppets
Some rotors do seem like they'd make great cheese graters.

Better yet...mandolines...
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This guy's lot is about an eighth of an acre.

Might've over done it in the lawn tractor department

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A more realistic version of this treatment would be perfect on a carbon frame:

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Originally Posted by rpenmanparker
Consider, if you will, the apices of five mountains.
First, five mountains have a single apex.

First and a half, use of apex in the plural is simply an attempt at pretentiousness. I submit that any sentence contorting a topic enough to make a contrived plural seem rational could always be clearer with a different word. I would consider the summits of five mountains.

Second, Websters lists both apexes and apices the proper plural for a word that doesn't need a plural form.

And next to last, any indignation I seem to be showing is, in fact, feigned. I could care less. I could care more. I am about a 2.6 on the care scale.

And finally, no explanation of this was needed, because it's a lot of lions.
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I will miss the Shimano entry level thread

I only mention the lions 3 times and it gets locked, where's the fun in that?
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It made me laugh.
The lions, not the thread. The thread made me weep for the US.
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Originally Posted by RollCNY
And finally, no explanation of this was needed, because it's a lot of lions.
Actually that is a lot of LIONS.
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Originally Posted by RollCNY
First, five mountains have a single apex.

First and a half, use of apex in the plural is simply an attempt at pretentiousness. I submit that any sentence contorting a topic enough to make a contrived plural seem rational could always be clearer with a different word. I would consider the summits of five mountains.

Second, Websters lists both apexes and apices the proper plural for a word that doesn't need a plural form.

And next to last, any indignation I seem to be showing is, in fact, feigned. I could care less. I could care more. I am about a 2.6 on the care scale.

And finally, no explanation of this was needed, because it's a lot of lions.
Is that out of five, 10, 100, 1000 or a trillion lions?
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And to reinforce just how strong lions can be and what a ferocious force a trillion of them would be, get a look at this (sad story, but why the hell can't people read signs and believe they are there for a purpose?):

Fatal lion attack
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I'm kind of listless today. The heat and humidity really got to me yesterday, but truth be known, the locking of the "tubeless-tubular" thread really hit me hard. I think I 'll take a rest day today. Let it be noted that's not the same thing as a recovery ride. More like a recovery non-ride.
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Spoiler alert!

The reference to Wiggins was made because he just smashed the 1 hour TT record, beating the previous distance by about a mile.
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Originally Posted by UnfilteredDregs
Better yet...mandolines...
Ouch!
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Originally Posted by Rowan
A knight of the realm, no less.

(a) I wonder if he cycling cohorts go around calling him Sir Bradley, as is English protocol, or if he's still just Wigs or whatever other contraction of his name happens along.

(b) The fact that the realm is so ready to hand out knighthoods to someone whose claim to fame is winning a grand tour cycling race (albeit the first Englishman to do so), sort of dilutes its value. I wonder what they would have done if Alberto Contador was English -- given him Canada or Australia as a gift?
They love Wiggo in The Realm.
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Originally Posted by rpenmanparker
Lefty losey. Righty tighty. Except for the left peddle and the write side cup of a BSA bottom bracket.
Words to live by.
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