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Beautiful strong rays and balmy 30° day. On the 1983 PSV-10 with fresh 'vintage
' N.O.S. Vittoria tubulars. Few treacherous spots -wisely walked...
' N.O.S. Vittoria tubulars. Few treacherous spots -wisely walked...
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Loving your PSV, although I may be biased, then again they are beautiful bikes, definitely biased. I put a jubilee on my PSV back in the 80's but switched back to the simplex, can't exactly remember why, always liked the minimalist look of the jubilee. Admire your adventuresome spirit in those conditions as well.
Pugs forever!
Pugs forever!
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70’s Peugeot PX10
On the work stand
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Beautiful work! Let's meet up for a NYC PX10 ride once the spring arrives! Here is my blue version.
Untitled by irishbx4th, on Flickr
Untitled by irishbx4th, on Flickr
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I got the '78 PR10 out for a 36 mile club ride today in the citrus groves of Ventura County. It held it's own with the modern carbon bikes. I recently replaced the broken Simplex RD with another from French Ebay. Also changed to a new 8 speed Sram chain. Rides and shifts smooth now. It's a great bike. It's been posted before, but here's a new picture.
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Not a bike yet, but near the top of the queue to be built, all parts in hand! Peugeot Carbolite 103 "Racing Team" model - the first and only example of these frames I have ever found in my size - I've had five or six pass through my hands over the years, all in 24" size! Build will be mainly French vintage Huret Rival gears, Mafac brakes, Mavic rims on Maillard hubs, Michelin tyres, Lyotard pedals and so on. This will be a rider, with mudguards, rack and panniers and wide range 12 speed gearing - at least that's the plan! Willpost photos when finished.
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Here's my Late-'50s Follis, which I am slowly working on resto-modding.
More pics here.
It came to me with 700c wheels, but I sold them, and the 1958 Huret derailleur, to a Tokyo dentist for $1500. (I paid $200 for the whole bike.)
The 50's Maxicar hubs and Mavic rims were too valuable for me to ride on, and this needs to be a rider. Plus I needed the cash. The Huret was interesting, being the very first year of the Allvit. It looked totally different from the Allvit we all know so well from all those Schwinn Varsities. Cool but not right for this bike, which has Campy dropouts.
So I threw some cheap eBay 650b wheels on it to try out the concept, see if I like it this way. The wheels are crap and won't stay on this bike, though the tires might -- they're Hetres that were "shaved" by Peter Weigle to make them faster and lighter., more supple.
If I like the bike enough as a 650b, I'll increase the fork rake, do brazed-on brake pivots and a custom front rack, and put a nice paint job on it. No interest in building it with all '50s parts, so it'll be a mishmash of '60s and '70s, with LED lighting from the current era (no pun intended). Hubs will be the much more common Maxicars from the '70s, rims will be Mavic Module 4 (650b, natch), late '70s or early '80s, with '70s Robergel Trois Etoiles light gauge butted spokes.
This rear derailer is interesting -- it's a hybrid made out of most of an old Record, the steel/bronze one from about 1965. But the top knuckle of the parallelogram is from a Sport. Not Gran Sport, just Sport, the one with only a single pulley, and a spring in the top pivot. The Sport was a terrible mech that never should have existed. But using that sprung top pivot, riveted to a Record with a sprung lower pivot, makes something Campy never did back then: a mech with two sprung pivots -- like a Simplex. This massively increases the range of gears it can handle.
See here for an album dedicated just to the derailer. It shows it shifting a 14 to 28 freewheel with a wide-range triple in front, 21 tooth range. It runs quiet in all gears including big-big and small-small, not maxed out, could handle a wider range.
Then as an experiment, I replaced the Record pulley cage with the one from an early-'70s Shimano Crane GS. It bolts right on! That allows a bigger cluster -- it's got a 34t on there in the picture, and still easily shifts to all the gear combos, not maxed out. I may put the Campy cage back on though, depends on whether I want gears that low. The Crane cage does look cool there though -- do you agree?
The frameset is a gem, really fine workmanship, with artisanal details like the rear brake running inside the toptube, and both rear bridges curved. The lugs have been fillet-brazed over at the transitions, then filed smooth, just to make the radius from one tube socket to the other larger/swoopier. That's a lot of skilled labor, just to make the lugs look cooler, to the rare discerning customer who can even tell the difference. I used to do that on some custom frames I made, but I stopped because no one noticed, or wanted to pay extra for that -- I realized I was only doing it to please myself!
The fork crown is a Nervex Pro, but with some brass built up here and there, mostly underneath, to let them file it into a more pleasing shape before polishing and chroming. A lovely touch that almost no one will notice, especially after the brake and fender are mounted. The fork blades are the old rapid-taper ones that are very small through the curved part, making a more shock-attenuating ride on rough stuff. They're 2 mm smaller diameter than the "Toei Special" Kaisei blades that are currently the comfiest blades builders can get today.
I forget the overall F&F weight but I remember being pleasantly surprised -- it's light for a 65 cm frame.
A keeper for sure. I just have to decide whether to return it to a road racer as it was originally, with Beborex sidepulls and sew-ups, or continue down this "classic rando" path as it's currently set up.
-Mark Bulgier, Seattle
More pics here.
It came to me with 700c wheels, but I sold them, and the 1958 Huret derailleur, to a Tokyo dentist for $1500. (I paid $200 for the whole bike.)
The 50's Maxicar hubs and Mavic rims were too valuable for me to ride on, and this needs to be a rider. Plus I needed the cash. The Huret was interesting, being the very first year of the Allvit. It looked totally different from the Allvit we all know so well from all those Schwinn Varsities. Cool but not right for this bike, which has Campy dropouts.
So I threw some cheap eBay 650b wheels on it to try out the concept, see if I like it this way. The wheels are crap and won't stay on this bike, though the tires might -- they're Hetres that were "shaved" by Peter Weigle to make them faster and lighter., more supple.
If I like the bike enough as a 650b, I'll increase the fork rake, do brazed-on brake pivots and a custom front rack, and put a nice paint job on it. No interest in building it with all '50s parts, so it'll be a mishmash of '60s and '70s, with LED lighting from the current era (no pun intended). Hubs will be the much more common Maxicars from the '70s, rims will be Mavic Module 4 (650b, natch), late '70s or early '80s, with '70s Robergel Trois Etoiles light gauge butted spokes.
This rear derailer is interesting -- it's a hybrid made out of most of an old Record, the steel/bronze one from about 1965. But the top knuckle of the parallelogram is from a Sport. Not Gran Sport, just Sport, the one with only a single pulley, and a spring in the top pivot. The Sport was a terrible mech that never should have existed. But using that sprung top pivot, riveted to a Record with a sprung lower pivot, makes something Campy never did back then: a mech with two sprung pivots -- like a Simplex. This massively increases the range of gears it can handle.
See here for an album dedicated just to the derailer. It shows it shifting a 14 to 28 freewheel with a wide-range triple in front, 21 tooth range. It runs quiet in all gears including big-big and small-small, not maxed out, could handle a wider range.
Then as an experiment, I replaced the Record pulley cage with the one from an early-'70s Shimano Crane GS. It bolts right on! That allows a bigger cluster -- it's got a 34t on there in the picture, and still easily shifts to all the gear combos, not maxed out. I may put the Campy cage back on though, depends on whether I want gears that low. The Crane cage does look cool there though -- do you agree?
The frameset is a gem, really fine workmanship, with artisanal details like the rear brake running inside the toptube, and both rear bridges curved. The lugs have been fillet-brazed over at the transitions, then filed smooth, just to make the radius from one tube socket to the other larger/swoopier. That's a lot of skilled labor, just to make the lugs look cooler, to the rare discerning customer who can even tell the difference. I used to do that on some custom frames I made, but I stopped because no one noticed, or wanted to pay extra for that -- I realized I was only doing it to please myself!
The fork crown is a Nervex Pro, but with some brass built up here and there, mostly underneath, to let them file it into a more pleasing shape before polishing and chroming. A lovely touch that almost no one will notice, especially after the brake and fender are mounted. The fork blades are the old rapid-taper ones that are very small through the curved part, making a more shock-attenuating ride on rough stuff. They're 2 mm smaller diameter than the "Toei Special" Kaisei blades that are currently the comfiest blades builders can get today.
I forget the overall F&F weight but I remember being pleasantly surprised -- it's light for a 65 cm frame.
A keeper for sure. I just have to decide whether to return it to a road racer as it was originally, with Beborex sidepulls and sew-ups, or continue down this "classic rando" path as it's currently set up.
-Mark Bulgier, Seattle
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@bulgie, the first one or two generations of the Campagnolo Rally derailleur had a spring-loaded top bolt. You probably remember. But while it was a good idea, it was a bad execution. It was another derailleur Campagnolo should not have made.
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@bulgie, the first one or two generations of the Campagnolo Rally derailleur had a spring-loaded top bolt.
Speaking of the original Rally, I recently got Jim Merz to rivet the top knuckle of a Rally* onto the rest of a NR. It's just a Rally in every way that matters, but it has the front parallelogram arm that says Nuovo Record, which I find amusing. I don't know what bike I'll put it on -- one where I don't need the rear mech to shift really well I guess! (I like 'em OK; not as good as a Suntour V-GT, but not terrible like a Gran Turismo.)
* No Rally derailer was harmed to do this -- I somehow stumbled on just the top knuckle of a Rally, NOS, never been assembled into a derailer, sold as a replacement part. The first Rally design did frequently break there, like if the bike just fell over, so they made the second iteration with more metal in that thin neck where they break.
Similarly, no NR was sacrificed to make this hybrid -- I used an NR where the top knuckle was damaged, so this brought a dead mech back to life.
-Mark Bulgier, Seattle
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1983 Gitane Interclub
I picked this up several years back for $10 from a charity resale shop. I have plans for it but just haven't gotten to it yet.
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My brother had a similar looking Gitane Criterium, in Gitane blue, in 1983
83/84 were sweet years for Gitane, as they were reflecting their success with their pro factory teams under Guimard's leadership and the string of wins that Hinault and his teamates were really piling in.....
there really was a noticable change in their product line with much prettier, more advanced designed bikes (compared to what they were selling towards the end if the 70's) that must have been giving Peugeot and Motobcane big headaches..... It also helped that Gitane teamed up with the Trek dealership network to sell their bikes in the states to take advantage of Lemond's meteorically rising popularity at that time.
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Thanks very much for posting!
Looking fine.
Wondering about the 700's. Are they original to the machine? Asking because they appear to be first generation (launch was '73) and by '83 would expect a machine to have been kitted with them to be exhibiting second generation.
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Thanks very much for posting!
Looking fine.
Wondering about the 700's. Are they original to the machine? Asking because they appear to be first generation (launch was '73) and by '83 would expect a machine to have been kitted with them to be exhibiting second generation.
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Thanks very much for posting!
Looking fine.
Wondering about the 700's. Are they original to the machine? Asking because they appear to be first generation (launch was '73) and by '83 would expect a machine to have been kitted with them to be exhibiting second generation.
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Recently rode a chilly, sloppy wet and snow 22 mile loop with warm-up rest stop at a bike shop. Biz is quiet so the young employee there had time to burn looking over this bike. Funny commentary and how surprised he was for its light weight and calling it an old "poo--jet".
Anyways, the hubs are not original to the bike but acquired NOS plus the freewheel package depicted below. I'm learning as I go and not fully up on Maillard offerings. According to Velobase the 700 pro hubs were introduced in '73 and carried thru mid '80s. Notation of plastic dust shield as early and metal being later. Lovely spin!
This model was for US market with N suffix, came with slug clinchers -Weinmann 700c concave, DOT reflectors, etc.. Boxed all of it and now setting it up to my French desires.
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Thank you kindly~ Certainly these French machines are an acquired taste, and I'm wanting more! Nothing bad about the Weinmann brakes w/ Kool Stops but will swap out if the right pair of CLB or Mafac / Spidel sidepull appear.
Recently rode a chilly, sloppy wet and snow 22 mile loop with warm-up rest stop at a bike shop. Biz is quiet so the young employee there had time to burn looking over this bike. Funny commentary and how surprised he was for its light weight and calling it an old "poo--jet".
Anyways, the hubs are not original to the bike but acquired NOS plus the freewheel package depicted below. I'm learning as I go and not fully up on Maillard offerings. According to Velobase the 700 pro hubs were introduced in '73 and carried thru mid '80s. Notation of plastic dust shield as early and metal being later. Lovely spin!
This model was for US market with N suffix, came with slug clinchers -Weinmann 700c concave, DOT reflectors, etc.. Boxed all of it and now setting it up to my French desires.
Recently rode a chilly, sloppy wet and snow 22 mile loop with warm-up rest stop at a bike shop. Biz is quiet so the young employee there had time to burn looking over this bike. Funny commentary and how surprised he was for its light weight and calling it an old "poo--jet".
Anyways, the hubs are not original to the bike but acquired NOS plus the freewheel package depicted below. I'm learning as I go and not fully up on Maillard offerings. According to Velobase the 700 pro hubs were introduced in '73 and carried thru mid '80s. Notation of plastic dust shield as early and metal being later. Lovely spin!
This model was for US market with N suffix, came with slug clinchers -Weinmann 700c concave, DOT reflectors, etc.. Boxed all of it and now setting it up to my French desires.
Thanks for the response!
Learned from a post by Chas some months back that the 700 was made for Maillard by Etablissements Perrin (Pelissier).
[one of the notes in the VB listing is from me.]
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The 78 Motobecane Grand Touring I finally got around to refurbing in August of 18
MotoGT 1 by Ryan Surface, on Flickr
Moto gt Bare frame by Ryan Surface, on Flickr
IMG_3883 by Ryan Surface, on Flickr
MotoGT 1 by Ryan Surface, on Flickr
Moto gt Bare frame by Ryan Surface, on Flickr
IMG_3883 by Ryan Surface, on Flickr
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plopping a post in here as I need to get to ten posts so i can post photos. my orange PX10 and my Le Jeune need to be here!