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Help me skip stop & skid

Old 05-28-15, 03:32 PM
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Help me skip stop & skid

okay, so im small in size and weight, maybe 125lbs and 5'6", and i need help, my gearing is 46/16 so im having trouble holding skids and skipping, but any lower gearing and i just feel im spinning all the time. please help.
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Old 05-28-15, 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by jitteryloki View Post
okay, so im small in size and weight, maybe 125lbs and 5'6", and i need help, my gearing is 46/16 so im having trouble holding skids and skipping, but any lower gearing and i just feel im spinning all the time. please help.
Are you successful at skidding at lower gears or are you just unwilling to try? The easy answer is brakes.
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1. skips are usually the result when first learnin' to skid.

2. when learning to skid, drop the ratio to 70 gear inches or lower (the better). the biggest obstacle for rookies is overcoming the friction due to their ignorance of how much strength to apply; they never apply nearly enough. until that happens, they'll never "get it".

3. once they get it, they'll be skipping around until they've built the strength to hold it.

start small ppl.
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Originally Posted by sickz View Post
1. skips are usually the result when first learnin' to skid.

2. when learning to skid, drop the ratio to 70 gear inches or lower (the better). the biggest obstacle for rookies is overcoming the friction due to their ignorance of how much strength to apply; they never apply nearly enough. until that happens, they'll never "get it".

3. once they get it, they'll be skipping around until they've built the strength to hold it.

start small ppl.
Yeah, the only bike I do any skidding on is my Cretin, which is geared super low at about 61 gi.
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Old 05-28-15, 06:27 PM
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Low gear ratio
Wet asphalt
Bullhorns

You'll learn to skid.
Just don't try whip skids on wet roads....unless you have a camera
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Originally Posted by j0e_bik3 View Post
I STILL can't do em right:

the way that feels natural is with the wheel pointing AWAY from the front foot, and thats backwards, but I can stand longer like that, than with the wheel pointing towards the front foot.

I can't teach myself apparently

I guess I'm not weird, I do it the same way. If my right foot is forward then I have my front wheel pointing left. I can actually trackstand for quite a bit, but I should really learn the right way. There's gotta be a reason most people do it that way.




Also, skip stops... How is it hard to learn? Not trying to be a dick but don't you just pop your back wheel up while locking your legs and you keep doing it to slow down? I remember learning it in like 10 seconds when I was a noob with no help. Unless I do it completely wrong......
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Old 05-28-15, 11:23 PM
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focusing on resisting with your front foot is what made it click for me.
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Not asking people on the internet and just riding my bike is what made it click for me.

I mean, seriously, all yer doing is stopping yer wheel from moving. Its simple. More time riding, less time not riding.



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i can easily skid in something lower, like my friends 44/17 is easy for me, but on my higher ratio i just cannot get the back wheel to hold the skid, even with all my weight on the front wheel, but i am getting much better at skipping.
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Originally Posted by jitteryloki View Post
i can easily skid in something lower, like my friends 44/17 is easy for me, but on my higher ratio i just cannot get the back wheel to hold the skid, even with all my weight on the front wheel, but i am getting much better at skipping.
a pair of these help

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yes, i have plenty of muscle, i routinely start and can maintain great speed and climb hills even in my current ratio, i feel i might just be not using the right technique for skidding or my low body mass makes it much easier for the inertia of the pedals to throw me around and stop my skid, literally when i try, even balls to my stem, the pedals pick me up no matter how hard i resist.
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Old 05-29-15, 06:54 PM
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The issue is the jitters, loki. You need to kick the smack first, only then can sw8 skids be part of your life. peace.
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Originally Posted by sickz View Post
a pair of these help

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Originally Posted by jitteryloki View Post
yes, i have plenty of muscle, i routinely start and can maintain great speed and climb hills even in my current ratio, i feel i might just be not using the right technique for skidding or my low body mass makes it much easier for the inertia of the pedals to throw me around and stop my skid, literally when i try, even balls to my stem, the pedals pick me up no matter how hard i resist.
lets keep this simple. when your feet are at 3 and 9 o clock, stop pedaling. pause. do whatever in your power to prevent the cranks from rotating another degree. the end.

technique is for those who dont have the strength to do this, outright, while seated.
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Originally Posted by jitteryloki View Post
okay, so im small in size and weight, maybe 125lbs and 5'6", and i need help, my gearing is 46/16 so im having trouble holding skids and skipping, but any lower gearing and i just feel im spinning all the time. please help.
Drop your ratio with a larger rear cog - try a 20 or so, then try and go back to your 16. I'm new to fixed gear running 48/20, and still look ironing out the wrinkles - I'll drop the rear cog to an 18 later in the year when I'm a little more confident.
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if i drop my ratio any more i feel like im always just spinning, even at 46/16 i still feel like its way too easy to pedal.
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Then just give up.
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Then just give up.
Your tires will thank you.
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Tires are free if u live around a high end bike shop.
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Tires are free if u live around a high end bike shop.
I actually live fairly close to a few...I'm totally going to check their dumpsters at night when they close.
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Originally Posted by SpeshulEd View Post
I actually live fairly close to a few...I'm totally going to check their dumpsters at night when they close.
u really should. IME[xperience] 20% of the tubes are good too.

if they lock the dumpster, just go in the day, eff it. It don't look so bad if you pull up on a nice bike.
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