Tread climber for more pedaling strength.
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Tread climber for more pedaling strength.
I bought my wife a tread climber. I am going to work out on it as well. Beside loosing weight, and better fitness, will this machine help with my peddling strength?
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Maybe a little bit, but I wouldn't use it as a replacement for actual cycling/pedaling. You might be disappointed.
Stick with thinking in terms of weight loss and general, all-around fitness.
Stick with thinking in terms of weight loss and general, all-around fitness.
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I think the real stairmaster machines help with standing leg pedaling strength
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I think there is a lot of cross-over, especially in out of the saddle efforts and lower-cadence climbing. I would recommend setting it at a faster tempo than most people I see doing it in the gym.
I think it's a good way to practice lower cadence stuff while working your overall fitness in a slightly different, more load bearing way. When j did it for a short time I noticed increased power up climbs.
Also, the inverse is true, I've noticed that when I'm in good cycling shape, I can climb lots of stairs without fatiguing like my non cyclist colleagues.
However, if the question is, take 20 minutes on a stair climber vs a 20-minute targeted low cadence or out of the saddle workout on bike...I think you should find out what pros do, cuz if stair climbing worked better than bike work, they would use it.
I do known that Alberto Contador would workout by doing 20 minute stretches out of the saddle.
I think it's a good way to practice lower cadence stuff while working your overall fitness in a slightly different, more load bearing way. When j did it for a short time I noticed increased power up climbs.
Also, the inverse is true, I've noticed that when I'm in good cycling shape, I can climb lots of stairs without fatiguing like my non cyclist colleagues.
However, if the question is, take 20 minutes on a stair climber vs a 20-minute targeted low cadence or out of the saddle workout on bike...I think you should find out what pros do, cuz if stair climbing worked better than bike work, they would use it.
I do known that Alberto Contador would workout by doing 20 minute stretches out of the saddle.
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I used to use the "stairway to hell" machines 1-2 times/week for most of the winter, once in zone 3, once in zone 2. I got better on the machine, but as far as I could tell, it didn't make the slightest difference to my cycling. I quit and put the time into my bike on the rollers instead, which helped a lot. Principle of specificity, eh?
OTOH, pure strength work, especially barbell squats, did help, I think because weight work makes a difference when one takes it to failure, regardless of the number of reps. One doesn't use the stepper to failure. A few years I did 3 sets of 30 and went much faster on the climbs. Now I do fewer reps but still to failure and it really seems to make a difference in endurance. Note that I do not replace cycling time with weight time. I add weight time without reducing the cycling.
And hear, hear for doing long intervals out of the saddle. Find a nice 500' hill and climb the whole thing standing. There's one around here we ride regularly. I know I'm pretty fit when I can do that. It's a lactate threshold workout with a little twist.
OTOH, pure strength work, especially barbell squats, did help, I think because weight work makes a difference when one takes it to failure, regardless of the number of reps. One doesn't use the stepper to failure. A few years I did 3 sets of 30 and went much faster on the climbs. Now I do fewer reps but still to failure and it really seems to make a difference in endurance. Note that I do not replace cycling time with weight time. I add weight time without reducing the cycling.
And hear, hear for doing long intervals out of the saddle. Find a nice 500' hill and climb the whole thing standing. There's one around here we ride regularly. I know I'm pretty fit when I can do that. It's a lactate threshold workout with a little twist.
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Something is better than nothing, but you're probably better off climbing lots of real stairs.
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If you load a backpack with with 40 0r 50 pounds, it will help a lot. Other wise it is an endurance workout that would be more fun on the bike.
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What the treadmaster does not do at all is strengthen the pulling muscles of you legs and abdomen. A step in the wrong direction if you want a really smooth, seamless pedaling style.
By complete contrast, in my racing days when it snowed, I would go snowshoing and do wind sprints across my neighbor's field. When the snow was deep, pulling the snowshoe loaded with heavy New England snow forward to take the next step was hard! And when I got back on the bike, what a benefit!
I know if the OP reads the current literature he will see the experts saying that cyclists do not pull up on the pedals (except when climbing out of the saddle). I also know that actually doing so has many benefits, both racing and not. I can ease pressure on my chronic knees simply by pulling harder and pushing less. I can save my quads for hard work later. And it is a real part of developing a really smooth pedal stroke that has all kinds of benefits (seat comfort being one of them).
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By complete contrast, in my racing days when it snowed, I would go snowshoing and do wind sprints across my neighbor's field. When the snow was deep, pulling the snowshoe loaded with heavy New England snow forward to take the next step was hard! And when I got back on the bike, what a benefit!
I know if the OP reads the current literature he will see the experts saying that cyclists do not pull up on the pedals (except when climbing out of the saddle). I also know that actually doing so has many benefits, both racing and not. I can ease pressure on my chronic knees simply by pulling harder and pushing less. I can save my quads for hard work later. And it is a real part of developing a really smooth pedal stroke that has all kinds of benefits (seat comfort being one of them).
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Thanks to all that replied to my post. I have to use this machine to motivate the wife to use it. I think I will use it like cross training and to help reduce my fat gut. I would never trade any machine for riding. I ride because I enjoy it.
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I know if the OP reads the current literature he will see the experts saying that cyclists do not pull up on the pedals (except when climbing out of the saddle). I also know that actually doing so has many benefits, both racing and not. I can ease pressure on my chronic knees simply by pulling harder and pushing less. I can save my quads for hard work later. And it is a real part of developing a really smooth pedal stroke that has all kinds of benefits (seat comfort being one of them).
Anyhow WRT to the OT, probably the best thing to make you better at cycling is more cycling. Sprinting as hard as you can over short hills works well for building strength, or intervals if you live in a flat land. For general health though, some cross training is useful. I like to hike hills myself.
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Sure. But you have one of the all time epic climbs in your backyard. Ride up Kingsbury and get super strong.
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So what?
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Exactly. And the next time, you will have to stop a little less often. And the next time a little less often than that. And eventually you'll ride up the whole thing straight. It's proven to work!
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You are looking for more power then doing an endurance workout on the stair climber wont help much. Look up some power exercise and plyometrics.
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Some do; they go slower.
https://www.researchgate.net/publica...ng_performance
https://www.researchgate.net/publica...ng_performance
However there aren't that many of us who practice that particular discipline anyway. More to the point might be this study of 45' pedaling at a steady power level at a 75 cadence, which is similar to the preferred climbing cadence of many of us. This study featured a pedal force feedback display which subjects used to produce a continuous positive crank torque, IOW pulling on the upstroke.
The feedback method, though new to these subjects, was found to produce superior endurance over the 45' test period. Moreover, once the subjects had 15' to learn the technique, General Efficiency (GE) was the same as when the subjects used their usual preferred pedaling technique. The researchers believe that GE for the feedback group is thus underestimated, since they were able to equal their usual GE with only 15' of training, compared to a lifetime of using their usual technique.
The study: https://www.radlabor.de/fileadmin/PDF...MSS_-_2011.pdf
Those of us who have spent many years perfecting our circular pedal strokes might find this study enlightening and validating. Now we know at least one of the reasons why our finishing sprints are so good.
A minor interesting sidelight is that the researchers happen to quote another study as finding that one-legged pedaling is best done with little to no ankle flexion. I do a lot of OLP and have observed the same thing.
I've found the best way to develop a good pedal stroke is in winter or early season to do prolonged (up to 45') pedaling at a cadence of 110-120 on a trainer or rollers while maintaining a slight gap between the sole of the foot and the insole of the shoe, IOW pedaling with the shoe's upper, not it's sole.
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Not this 26 y.o. study again, which proves that riders on a perfectly flat course, on TT bikes, pedaling a high cadence . . . don't pull up on the backstroke. Yes, that was probably true back in the day. It might still be true, but I don't know of a more recent study of pedaling during that exact racing discipline, though racing practice does change.
The feedback method, though new to these subjects, was found to produce superior endurance over the 45' test period. Moreover, once the subjects had 15' to learn the technique, General Efficiency (GE) was the same as when the subjects used their usual preferred pedaling technique. The researchers believe that GE for the feedback group is thus underestimated, since they were able to equal their usual GE with only 15' of training, compared to a lifetime of using their usual technique.
The study: https://www.radlabor.de/fileadmin/PDF...MSS_-_2011.pdf
Those of us who have spent many years perfecting our circular pedal strokes might find this study enlightening and validating. Now we know at least one of the reasons why our finishing sprints are so good.
The study: https://www.radlabor.de/fileadmin/PDF...MSS_-_2011.pdf
Those of us who have spent many years perfecting our circular pedal strokes might find this study enlightening and validating. Now we know at least one of the reasons why our finishing sprints are so good.
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While it seems a no-brainer to acknowledge that many/most cyclists pull up at various points in their pedalling...
...It also seems like common sense to acknowledge that running up stairs would HAVE to benefit cycling fitness. How could it not?
...It also seems like common sense to acknowledge that running up stairs would HAVE to benefit cycling fitness. How could it not?
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