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10-27-19, 08:21 AM
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Also, a selective observation of the cycling situation in his local area is hardly likely to represent the status of Japanese cycling activities anymore than a Californian observing cycling club weekend activities in his local area making representations about the exalted status of pro bicycling activities and "the sport" for the population of California.
I believe Japanese cycling riding and purchase preferences, including those cyclists who reside in Tokyo likely lean far more to the practical "mamachari" and not towards the high end "pro" S-works types favored by N00b. I also suspect that N00b like some other enthusiasts do not see or observe other cyclists or other types of cycling that do not fit nicely into their own profile or cycling preferences .
https://www.mamachari.co.uk/about-us/what-is-mamachari/
Mamachari are bicycles from Japan. They are made for riding around the city and are designed to be practical for things like riding to work, doing the shopping, taking the kids to nursery etc. Everyone’s got a mamachari in Japan. Literally everyone. To say that they are ubiquitous is an understatement. Mamachari are everywhere and are ridden by everyone – old/young, female/male, students, salary men (businessman), mothers, grandmothers and fathers.
Mamachari are much the same in Japan as Dutch bikes are in Holland. To the Japanese, a mamachari is just a sort extension of their shoes. There to be used (and abused) when you need them, forgotten and often neglected when you don’t. So mamachari have a hard life and need to be tough enough to stand up to it.
Mamachari are much the same in Japan as Dutch bikes are in Holland. To the Japanese, a mamachari is just a sort extension of their shoes. There to be used (and abused) when you need them, forgotten and often neglected when you don’t. So mamachari have a hard life and need to be tough enough to stand up to it.
Introducing the Mamachari
When buying a bicycle most Japanese don't consider anything other than a mamachari and initially I found this odd because when I think of bicycles I think recreation, mountain biking, commuting, racing, or for getting air off the top of a set of stairs. But in Japan I realized I'm in the minority, as even your average Japanese male purchases a bike for its utility, for making short trips to the station with a briefcase in the basket and carrying groceries home from the supermarket etc.
In a country of 130 million people 85% own a bicycle. Who'd have guessed that the majority use their bikes for practical purposes rather than jumping gaps?
In a country of 130 million people 85% own a bicycle. Who'd have guessed that the majority use their bikes for practical purposes rather than jumping gaps?
10-27-19, 09:27 AM
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10-27-19, 11:04 AM
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Is the state mammal of Iowa a troll?
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10-27-19, 03:01 PM
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N00b's location was Not posted in his profile when he posted the OP, nor was it posted previously in this thread. Hence the question about where he made his observations about S-Works being everywhere, and what population holds pro cycling and "the sport" in such high esteem.
Also, a selective observation of the cycling situation in his local area is hardly likely to represent the status of Japanese cycling activities anymore than a Californian observing cycling club weekend activities in his local area making representations about the exalted status of pro bicycling activities and "the sport" for the population of California.
I believe Japanese cycling riding and purchase preferences, including those cyclists who reside in Tokyo likely lean far more to the practical "mamachari" and not towards the high end "pro" S-works types favored by N00b. I also suspect that N00b like some other enthusiasts do not see or observe other cyclists or other types of cycling that do not fit nicely into their own profile or cycling preferences .
https://www.mamachari.co.uk/about-us/what-is-mamachari/
Mamachari are bicycles from Japan. They are made for riding around the city and are designed to be practical for things like riding to work, doing the shopping, taking the kids to nursery etc. Everyone’s got a mamachari in Japan. Literally everyone. To say that they are ubiquitous is an understatement. Mamachari are everywhere and are ridden by everyone – old/young, female/male, students, salary men (businessman), mothers, grandmothers and fathers.
Mamachari are much the same in Japan as Dutch bikes are in Holland. To the Japanese, a mamachari is just a sort extension of their shoes. There to be used (and abused) when you need them, forgotten and often neglected when you don’t. So mamachari have a hard life and need to be tough enough to stand up to it.
Introducing the Mamachari
When buying a bicycle most Japanese don't consider anything other than a mamachari and initially I found this odd because when I think of bicycles I think recreation, mountain biking, commuting, racing, or for getting air off the top of a set of stairs. But in Japan I realized I'm in the minority, as even your average Japanese male purchases a bike for its utility, for making short trips to the station with a briefcase in the basket and carrying groceries home from the supermarket etc.
In a country of 130 million people 85% own a bicycle. Who'd have guessed that the majority use their bikes for practical purposes rather than jumping gaps?
Also, a selective observation of the cycling situation in his local area is hardly likely to represent the status of Japanese cycling activities anymore than a Californian observing cycling club weekend activities in his local area making representations about the exalted status of pro bicycling activities and "the sport" for the population of California.
I believe Japanese cycling riding and purchase preferences, including those cyclists who reside in Tokyo likely lean far more to the practical "mamachari" and not towards the high end "pro" S-works types favored by N00b. I also suspect that N00b like some other enthusiasts do not see or observe other cyclists or other types of cycling that do not fit nicely into their own profile or cycling preferences .
https://www.mamachari.co.uk/about-us/what-is-mamachari/
Mamachari are bicycles from Japan. They are made for riding around the city and are designed to be practical for things like riding to work, doing the shopping, taking the kids to nursery etc. Everyone’s got a mamachari in Japan. Literally everyone. To say that they are ubiquitous is an understatement. Mamachari are everywhere and are ridden by everyone – old/young, female/male, students, salary men (businessman), mothers, grandmothers and fathers.
Mamachari are much the same in Japan as Dutch bikes are in Holland. To the Japanese, a mamachari is just a sort extension of their shoes. There to be used (and abused) when you need them, forgotten and often neglected when you don’t. So mamachari have a hard life and need to be tough enough to stand up to it.
Introducing the Mamachari
When buying a bicycle most Japanese don't consider anything other than a mamachari and initially I found this odd because when I think of bicycles I think recreation, mountain biking, commuting, racing, or for getting air off the top of a set of stairs. But in Japan I realized I'm in the minority, as even your average Japanese male purchases a bike for its utility, for making short trips to the station with a briefcase in the basket and carrying groceries home from the supermarket etc.
In a country of 130 million people 85% own a bicycle. Who'd have guessed that the majority use their bikes for practical purposes rather than jumping gaps?
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10-27-19, 04:02 PM
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Ever ride one?
I have a comparable bike, Emonda SLR, eTap, Zipp 303 and i've ridden a bone stock Emonda SL6 and there's a noticeable difference. Is the SLR worth 2.5 times as much? Depends on how much disposable income you have. When I bought my bike I was driving a 14 year old Civic with 245,000 miles.
I have a comparable bike, Emonda SLR, eTap, Zipp 303 and i've ridden a bone stock Emonda SL6 and there's a noticeable difference. Is the SLR worth 2.5 times as much? Depends on how much disposable income you have. When I bought my bike I was driving a 14 year old Civic with 245,000 miles.
10-27-19, 04:06 PM
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10-27-19, 04:06 PM
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And it's paid dividends in my physical and mental health.
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10-27-19, 04:13 PM
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That's a very valid point. It is an investment into my overall health, which is something I neglected after getting out of the military. Nice bike btw. I actually placed an order for a Project One Emonda SLR. But I felt like I would like the Domane more for my riding style, so I went back and changed the order. Now to put a ton of miles on it and make memories.
10-27-19, 05:26 PM
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I put enough miles on my bikes that I can also make the same conclusion with each bike I have owned or currently own. It’s a no brainer when you consider what one could spend on a recreational activity that doesn’t have the health and social benefits of cycling. I spent just as much racing RC cars back in the late 90’s and it paid very little in return.
10-27-19, 09:34 PM
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Thats what I get for not going down to my bookshelf to check on the authors name. I have every Calvin and Hobbs book published, but am too old to remember anything anymore. Thanks.
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10-28-19, 11:50 AM
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More importantly, they employ 1800 people domestically, I've known many people that have established long-term careers with this company. Always happy o support a company that supports our economy.
10-28-19, 11:52 AM
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I feel like most people who are anti-Trek are pro-Spesh. I don't get it, but it seems that way haha. My buddy who actually got me into cycling is a die-hard Spesh lover. Rides both a Specialized and an S-WORKS. All he does is talk about how trash/generic Trek is. So of course I got one just to spite him. I kid...lol. I got one because I really like the Domane and their customer service was on point! Bottom line, ride what you like, no matter how many you see on the road. If you're worried about other people having the bike you are getting, you're most likely riding for the wrong reason haha. Because that's not going to affect you if you're commuting, if you're racing, or if you're just hanging it in your office at home.
Buddy and I were both talking about how many Treks there were on the road...and as soon as we started saying that, we started seeing people on their S-WORKS, literally everywhere. I actually don't know how many people I've seen just put-putting around on these $12-$13k bikes in their Bora or other pro team kit. But you know what? Who cares? It's their money, their preference, and their life! I do think a lot of it has to do with the greater interest in pro cycling these days. People see the big brands on the TV and they go "ooooh". Especially Specialized. Peter Sagan and these Specialized pro teams are all over the place in media. Specialized is definitely getting business out of it, if these brand new Venge/Tarmac all over the road are any indication.
Buddy and I were both talking about how many Treks there were on the road...and as soon as we started saying that, we started seeing people on their S-WORKS, literally everywhere. I actually don't know how many people I've seen just put-putting around on these $12-$13k bikes in their Bora or other pro team kit. But you know what? Who cares? It's their money, their preference, and their life! I do think a lot of it has to do with the greater interest in pro cycling these days. People see the big brands on the TV and they go "ooooh". Especially Specialized. Peter Sagan and these Specialized pro teams are all over the place in media. Specialized is definitely getting business out of it, if these brand new Venge/Tarmac all over the road are any indication.
10-28-19, 12:00 PM
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If it hasn't been said already, Trek fulfills the dominant slot Schwinn had in the 1960's and 1970's, with a strong dealer network.
My personal fleet includes
1986 Trek 620, need a new photo to show B17 and bars
1985 Trek 560
1986 Trek 520 Cirrus
1988 Trek 360
Not pictured are a 1984 520 and a Carbon 2100. MTBs include an 850, 930, 950, 970.
My personal fleet includes
1986 Trek 620, need a new photo to show B17 and bars
1985 Trek 560
1986 Trek 520 Cirrus
1988 Trek 360
Not pictured are a 1984 520 and a Carbon 2100. MTBs include an 850, 930, 950, 970.
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10-28-19, 12:02 PM
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and so it is with Trekies...they too rush in, where Non-Treks Fear to Tread !
Sorry, best I could do under the circumstances...it would have been far easier to rhyme with Raleigh or Rudge! LOL
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10-28-19, 12:40 PM
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I've had at least one Trek bike in the quiver since I was a teenager. Until recently, higher quality for the cost than competitors.
More importantly, they employ 1800 people domestically, I've known many people that have established long-term careers with this company. Always happy o support a company that supports our economy.
More importantly, they employ 1800 people domestically, I've known many people that have established long-term careers with this company. Always happy o support a company that supports our economy.
10-28-19, 12:42 PM
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10-28-19, 12:49 PM
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10-28-19, 12:51 PM
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10-28-19, 12:53 PM
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10-28-19, 01:00 PM
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