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Old 07-26-19, 09:00 AM
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Question Vacuum insulated stainless water bottles

Are there any of these specifically designed for bikes? I've only found one "Travel Kuppe" which had kickstarter campaign and it's exactly what I want, but it's gone, nobody selling it anymore
Does anyone knows of any others?
Trick here is to have shape to fit into regular water cage and also rubberized coating so it doesn't slip or rattle. Not a rocket science, but alas my search comes empty
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I have not seen any that are the right diameter and also have a dimple for the part of the cage that holds it in the cage.

But I have used some bottles that were smaller diameter. I cut some rubber strips from an old inner tube, put some tension on those rubber strips and wrapped the strips around the bottle a few times to get the right diameter for the cage, then wrapped electrical tape around the rubber strips to keep the rubber strips in place. And, to reduce or get rid of rattle, put a rectangle on it held on with tape at the top where the cage bends into the bottle.

In the photo, I had some yellow electrical tape, used that. But this method takes some time to get it right, the number of layers of rubber inner tube strips, exact placement of the strips, etc. The way the bottle is turned in the photo you can't see the extra tape and rubber rectangle at the top of the cage.

These bottles are half liter, I have two. Thus, I do not use them both on really hot days because I want more capacity. But on a cold morning I can carry a half liter of not-to-hot coffee and a larger bottle of water for later when I want more water capacity.





Before I used the inner tube rubber strip trick, I tried some bottles in some of those thin foam can holders that are often handed out as marketing trinkets, they also worked but not quite as well. This photo from a rainy muddy days is over 5 years old.

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That's pretty neat trick! Looks great too! Does rubber not slip when you slide bottle out of cage? I might 3D print something like that...
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That's pretty neat trick! Looks great too! Does rubber not slip when you slide bottle out of cage? I might 3D print something like that...
The electric tape contacts the cage, not the rubber from the rubber inner tube strips. It slides easy enough on the cage.

Getting exactly the right thickness of inner tube rubber wrapped around the bottle can be an iterative process.
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I can recommend a Deboyo bottle - I got mine from SIS, but they're available from Amazon too. Designed to fit in a bottle cage and will keep coffee hot for 2 hours plus in winter.
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What I need are two insulated, metal, 2 liter (64 oz) bottles (non bpa), for dirt cheap (reasonable, used is fine). The Klean Kanteen brand is excellent... but the price!
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On a whim a couple of years ago I bought a Reduce COLD-1 stainless double insulated thermos from the discount bin at Kroger for a few bucks. One of my best bargains. It's been refreshing on many long hot summer rides the past couple of years. Occasionally I'll use it to hold hot coffee or tea in winter, but mostly use it in summer.

It's the right diameter for a bike water bottle cage, but lacks the dimples that mate with the retainer fingers on some cages. But that hasn't been a problem. The textured finish grips the aluminum cages just fine. If anything I need to relieve the tension on my aluminum cages to retrieve the bottle. So far it hasn't bounced out of my much looser fitting plastic cages on my road bikes (I use Trek plastic cages on one road bike, 50Strong on another, both nearly as light as carbon fiber at a fraction of the price).

If I'm anticipating rough roads I'll loop a wire twist tie from a bread bag to retain the tethered cap to the water bottle cage. Probably unnecessary, but I prefer to be sure it's secure in group rides. I don't want anyone to fall because my water bottle popped loose. That already happens too often in group rides, although fortunately I've seen few falls.

I usually half fill it with electrolyte solution and freeze it. The next day I'll fill the rest with plain water. If I use the original thermal cap the frozen mixture will stay frozen for up to 12 hours even in summer, gradually dissolving as I add fresh water. If I use a drinking cap with a Polar or Camelbak style nipple, it will thaw much sooner but will still be icy cold for hours.

Typically I don't drink from it while riding. Instead I reserve it for rest breaks. As my Polar plastic insulated bottle warms up I'll transfer water/electrolytes from it to the COLD-1 thermos. So there's always something cold to drink for as long as the ice remains.

Unfortunately that particular Reduce COLD-1 thermos has been discontinued, but I see similar size stainless thermoses by different manufacturers in local stores and online.
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I used this one for my coffee every morning

https://www.amazon.com/Double-Vacuum...3ZBBV6VMM&th=1

(Mine is a 20oz. Not sure why the bare metal one pictured in a studdy 12 oz)

Works great. It's normal water bottle sized so it fits in a standard bottle cage.

Has a variety of lids that work with it. I go with this style...straight screw on/off. No sip straw. No leaks.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00YHG4C7U/ref=dp_cerb_1

I used it in this style bottle cage with the plastic bumpers on the front that 1) keep the bottle and cage from scratching each other up and 2) let me bend the cage a little so make the bottle a nice tight fit that doesn't vibrate or wobble.

I have it in unpainted metal so the paint doesn't scratch off, but other than that...this one.
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I found this one offered on Amazon for $19.99, ordered one to test. I would appreciate having icy cold water available on a hot ride.

CILLE 24 oz Insulated Water Bottles, Double Walled Leak Proof Wide Mouth Bicycle Water Bottle for Sports (Silver)



EDIT: The amazon page says the bottle holds 24 fluid ounces, but that is incorrect. The manufacturer's page says the capacity is 500 ml, or just under 17 ounces.
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Originally Posted by Digger Goreman View Post
What I need are two insulated, metal, 2 liter (64 oz) bottles (non bpa), for dirt cheap (reasonable, used is fine). The Klean Kanteen brand is excellent... but the price!
https://www.homedepot.com/p/Manna-Ra...6692/309295522
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I will check it out!

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Here's the setup I've been trying out this year. Simple Modern 40oz "Summit" bottle with a Velo-Orange Mojave cage. A mini-bungee with the hook cut off one end and double-knotted to the cage and looped around the bottle handle serves to secure it on bumps. Everything fits together well and I enjoy the use of the bottle, but there is a bit of occasional rattle to sort out yet.

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I will check it out!

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I was walking down the aisle and saw them, and thought of your post. So it only took a couple minutes to google it with the manufacturer name when I got home and reply. Happy to help.

They also had a 25 oz bottle that I might go back and measure it to see if it is bottle cage size or not. I wrapped a piece of paper around a bottle that fits in my cage well here at home and marked the paper for circumference, I can use that piece of paper to compare to the circumference on the 25 oz bottle in the store to see how it compares. It has no groove or dimple for the little holder arm at the top of the cage, but I have some cages that are quite flexible so it might work.
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I have both the Takeya and the Hydro Flask pictured below... with each pictured both off and on the bike. Both are quality bottles. Oddly, but a nice bonus, the lid of the Hydro Flask fits the Takeya and vi se versa. The flip lid of the Hydro Flask is a bit easier to use if you're want a drink while riding because, well, you just have to flip open the lid with your thumb. With the Takeya you have to unscrew the cap on top of the lid. Both seal well and do not leak. Both keep drinks cold for 3 or 4 hours and cool for a bit longer. To keep them from rattling I bought the silicone sleeves for both and they do keep things from rattling. Since the dimensions of the Takeya and Hydro Flask are different (Takeya is both a little wider diameter and taller) they take different sized sleeves. The sleeves I've got slip on easy enough but not so easy that they would simply slide off on their own.
A bit of a warning with the sleeves on the bottles and fitting into you bike's holder. First the Takeya (with or without the sleeve), which is taller than the Hydro Flask will not fit in my wife's bike. Her's is a woman's Trek DS3 and the top tube is too low for clearance of the Takeya. The shorter Hydro Flask (with less capacity) will fit her bike's bottle holders. That said her bike's bottle holders look like mine but are a smaller diameter and the Hydro Flask with the sleeve on is too big to fit in the holder. With the sleeve off it is tight (a good thing) and doesn't rattle. On my bike with its bottle holder, the sleeve must be on the Hydro Flask bottles or they rattle. If you look at the sleeve on the Takeya (pictured on the table) you'll notice what looks like a rip near the bottom. It isn't a rip but a "lightning" cut out from the manufacturer.
Which one is better. Well, I'd have to go with the Takeya but only because it holds more. 24 ounces for the Takeya compared to the Hydro Flask 18 ounces. In terms of quality I can tell no difference between the two. The Takeya has a very slight larger diameter and is a few inches taller so that may be something to consider. I carry two bottles so with the Takeya, I get an additional 12 ounces compared to carrying the 2 Hydro Flasks. My wife, do to the fit of the bottles on her bike, has to carry the Hydro Flasks. Edited to note that I did cut a bit off the top of the Takeya's silicone sleeve.



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The Nissan Thermos bottle up there is good, but I am not sure about the other pictured or mentioned ones. When the cap lacks insulation, all the heat exchange flows through there. Can you open and close the bottle with one hand only? If you have hot liquid in the bottle will you burn your lips or not? Can you hold and shake the bottle upside down with no leak? A good bottle needs to meet all such check marks. Coloring is likely to rub off over time and make the bottle look repugnant while it rubs off.
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The Nissan Thermos bottle up there is good, but I am not sure about the other pictured or mentioned ones. When the cap lacks insulation, all the heat exchange flows through there. Can you open and close the bottle with one hand only? If you have hot liquid in the bottle will you burn your lips or not? Can you hold and shake the bottle upside down with no leak? A good bottle needs to meet all such check marks. Coloring is likely to rub off over time and make the bottle look repugnant while it rubs off.
The ones I wrote about, the caps are not insulated but things stay cold for 3 or 4 hours and cool a few hours longer. With the Hydro Flask caps, you can open/close them one handed with the flick of the thumb. Not so with the Takeya caps which the smaller cap needs to be unscrewed in order to get a drink. However, the Hydro Flask cap fits the Takeya bottle and they can be purchased by themselves... but that, of course, would add to the cost of an already not cheap bottle. Both can be shaken, turned upside down or laid on their side without leaks. I've never used either with hot liquids so can't speak to that other than to say there is a high flow rate that comes out from both. I consider that a good thing. For hot liquids my guess is you'd need to be careful about how far you tip the bottle when drinking. Since I've never put hot liquids in, my guess is they would seal just as well as with cold liquids. I'm giving myself some wiggle room with that statement because hot liquids can increase the pressure inside the bottle but OTH, a decrease in pressure (suction even) as it cools. I ordered all of mine with no coloring, just simply the bare stainless steel. Like you I figured over time, the color would get scratched, fade or rub off. They can still scratch but the finish is the stainless metal and it goes all the way through.

Edited to reply to terrymorse. Terry, my Takeya bottles do in fact hold 24 oz. They also make a 18, 32, 40 and 64 oz bottle. I know the one you have pictured isn't a Takeya but it looks the same, even the cap looks the same but different color. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07NH4RWLY/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

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From my trip to Home Despot. ...

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They also had a 25 oz bottle that I might go back and measure it to see if it is bottle cage size or not. I wrapped a piece of paper around a bottle that fits in my cage well here at home and marked the paper for circumference, I can use that piece of paper to compare to the circumference on the 25 oz bottle in the store to see how it compares. It has no groove or dimple for the little holder arm at the top of the cage, but I have some cages that are quite flexible so it might work.
I forgot to bring the paper strip with me to verify size. But their web site was clear that it was 3 inches which is what a bottle cage needs. So bought a couple of the 25 oz ones today.

And got home and it is 3.16 inches, not 3 inches, too big to fit in the cage. Now I have to make yet one more trip there to return them. I wish people that post dimensions on web sites for retail purposes would be a bit more accurate.

So, I will for now continue to use the smaller half liter ones that I posted about in post 2 above.
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I wish people that post dimensions on web sites for retail purposes would be a bit more accurate.
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Yep, sometimes "about" works as in it's "about" 3 inches in diameter. Other times "about" isn't close enough and more precise is needed. 2 i, for that chainring there's no excuse for describing it as one thing when it's not that at all. False advertising comes to mind but probably not worth the hassle of doing anything about it. So with those things in mind and if anyone is interested in either the Takeya or the Hydro Flask I used a micrometer!
Hydro Flask 18 oz without the sleeve measured near the base = 2.907" with the silicone sleeve 3.042
Takeya 24 oz without sleeve = 3.039", with the sleeve 3.175... apparently the sleeve is a bit thicker for this one.
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I've looked at several double insulated stainless steel thermoses this week but haven't found another that's compatible with a standard plastic water bottle lid.

Kinda kicking myself now for not buying the other two or three copies of the Reduce COLD-1 I got a couple of years ago. Very handy when I don't want to mess with unscrewing a lid for a drink.
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Many of the Contigo bottles fit well in the bottle cages. Most have an indent in about the right spot. And, the quick auto button works nicely. A few different spouts depending on your desires.

One thing, make sure you get a pure stainless bottle, not a painted bottle. At least with metal cages, the painted bottles turn ugly quickly.

A plastic or carbon fiber cage might be a better match than metal cages.
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I've never used either with hot liquids so can't speak to that other than to say there is a high flow rate that comes out from both. I consider that a good thing. For hot liquids my guess is you'd need to be careful about how far you tip the bottle when drinking.
In comparing the bottles that burned lips to those that did not, aided by some reasoning, I can say that a direct connection to the bulk of the fluid, such as through a straight tube, especially a wide one, will burn. For regulating the temperature you need a transient container, with an extended lip most commonly used, where the heat can dissipate out. The flows from the bulk to the transient container, and from that container to the mouth, should be cut off at different angles. Then by regulating the pace of flow though the system and into your mouth you can regulate the temperature of the fluid that comes in.
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In Post 2 above I showed some Thermos brand bottles that I modified to fit the cages. And in post 17 above I mentioned a bad experience with Home Despot on some oversize bottles.

But my more recent experience with Home Despot is a bit better, I bought some of these in what they called Silver color:
https://www.homedepot.com/p/Manna-Vo...8119/302621031
In Silver color it is a bit under $9 before sales tax. It really does not look like silver, more like a pewter color. (They even mention pewter in the internet link.) Other colors cost a bit more.

And I later learned that Bath Bed and Beyond has them in a variety of styles and colors for a similar price.
https://www.bedbathandbeyond.com/sto....?ta=typeahead

My local Home Despot store did not stock them, but I ordered some for ship to store, thus no shipping charge.

They are a bit smaller diameter than a cage. I cut some "sleeves" out of an old inner tube, I think the inner tube width was for about a 2.0 or maybe 2.5 width tire. The sleeves were a half inch long. I stretched them over the bottle to make the bottle a bit thicker to fit in the cage, I used two sleeves at each location, one on top of each other for a total of six sleeves for each bottle. And I wrapped some electrical tape over the inner tube rubber to help hold the inner tube rubber in place so it does not slip. Two layers of inner tube rubber and a bit of electrical tape resulted in a diameter that was just about right for a cage. The result is in the photo.




They have a smaller lid than some of the others and smaller than on my Thermos brand bottles. Thus, some ice cubes are too large to drop in. And with a threaded top, you have to use two hands to get a drink. But otherwise, they work well. With my Thermos brand bottles with a flip top lid, I usually stopped to take a drink break anyway, so a threaded lid is not a problem for me.

I had to shift the position of the middle inner tube rubber band on the bottles upwards a bit after my initial ride, I had some metal on metal vibration noise on rough roads, but that only meant pulling off the tape, shifting the rubber up a bit and applying new tape, not a big deal. I took the photo before I shifted the middle rubber sleeves upwards a bit.

You need a flexible cage for them to fit because the top of the cage is intended to angle in to where most bottles have a groove and these bottles do not have such a groove. Thus, they might not fit well in some cages, for example Lezyne makes a very stiff robust cage that the bottles do not play well with. The cages in the photo are some old Blackburn Comp cages.

I checked the manufacturers website (Manna) and they do not list the Vogue model as currently available. Thus, I assume these are being sold as clearance. Unknown how long they will stay in stock.
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The commuting section periodically will have posts about carrying hot coffee that should provide some more choices.
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I'm not sure if you've solved your issue or if you're fixed on the "Travel Kuppe". However, I have found the Travel Kuppe for sale on amazon at the link below:



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