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Touring Frameset with 600+ stack and <385 reach?

Old 01-04-20, 06:59 AM
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Touring Frameset with 600+ stack and <385 reach?

I like this geometry for riding long distances. But havent found a touring frameset with that geo?

New Albion Privateer and Breezer Radar fit the geo. But reviews are too noodly for loaded touring.
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Old 01-04-20, 07:55 AM
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How heavy is your planned load?

Most modern disc frames (including the two you mentioned) are stiffer than many loaded touring frames from the 80s/90s by a factor of at least 2. The Breezer Radar is an excellent frame and is not noodly in most normal use cases. The frame and fork are designed for up to 29x2.2" tires which means they have been designed to pass strict European testing standards above what a typical paved road bike would be held to. This means shorter butted sections, thicker tube profiles and relatively high stiffness.

The next step in stiffness is going to MTB size steel tubes, double oversize which is ~31.8mm TT and 35mm DT. As well as 2OS+ headtubes and steerers - 1 1/4"+ compared to normal 1 1/8". This is a ton of bike for paved riding, most non-technical singletrack, and is probably not what you are looking for.

I would recommend you test ride some bikes and determine more of what you want out of your frame and what "noodly" may mean to you. Online reviews are generally a poor starting point, especially when building from a frameset.
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Old 01-04-20, 04:43 PM
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I haven't ridden the Privateer fully loaded but have put some extensive miles on it as it is my commuter/beater bike. I can say without a doubt it is a fantastic frame and the way I have it built currently is excellent and wouldn't want to change much for my usage. If you are finding something stock isn't working out for you maybe custom is the way to go. That way you can get a ride more tuned for what you need and that will fit you really well since it can be built to your fit measurements.
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Old 01-04-20, 07:08 PM
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I'm the guy that said the Breezer was too noodly for loaded touring. My last bike (got stolen) was a Novara Randonee touring bike - a "real" touring bike with oversized 4130 tubes. I'm 230 lbs., and in going from the Novara to the Breezer I could really notice the more flexi-ness of the Breezer.

So consider my weight and my previous bike when interpreting my claim that the Breezer was "too noodly to fully load up like a real touring bike."
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Old 01-07-20, 01:54 PM
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Saga Disc, size 56, 608 stack, 381 reach: https://www.somafab.com/archives/pro...sc-frame-set-2 Tange Prestige front triangle, better tubing than New Albion.

LHT, size 56, 588 stack, 388 reach. Add 12mm of spacers, it will bring the stack up to 600 and shorten the reach by 4mm to 384.

You can always get a smaller size and add more spacers if you start from a frameset.
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Old 01-07-20, 02:58 PM
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The L and XL fit your parameters and the XXL effectively fits it too.

Kona Sutra is in 56cm size is 5mm too long in reach. Just get a 1cm shorter stem or bars with the smallest change in reach.
https://www.konaworld.com/sutra.cfm

Fuji Touring in sizes L and XL meet your needs. https://www.fujibikes.com/usa/bikes/...ouring/touring


Im sure there are more to be found with googling.
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You don't say what size frame you're looking for, but the Lynskey Backroad has a number of sizes that have the reach and stack dimensions you're looking for. (No affiliation with Lynskey other than past purchases.)

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Originally Posted by tyrion View Post
I'm the guy that said the Breezer was too noodly for loaded touring. My last bike (got stolen) was a Novara Randonee touring bike - a "real" touring bike with oversized 4130 tubes. I'm 230 lbs., and in going from the Novara to the Breezer I could really notice the more flexi-ness of the Breezer.

So consider my weight and my previous bike when interpreting my claim that the Breezer was "too noodly to fully load up like a real touring bike."
Same boat here. I had a VERY stiff aluminum bike and then went to my noodly Breezer. I am 245 lbs on a XXL frame and pack heavy so I accept that I am likely asking a lot of the bike. I don't have an issue with the noodling. It is just noticeable. I end up with a shimmy if I have too much weight in the rear. Moving the weight up front fixed it. Still love the bike.
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Originally Posted by volvostephen View Post
Same boat here. I had a VERY stiff aluminum bike and then went to my noodly Breezer. I am 245 lbs on a XXL frame and pack heavy so I accept that I am likely asking a lot of the bike. I don't have an issue with the noodling. It is just noticeable. I end up with a shimmy if I have too much weight in the rear. Moving the weight up front fixed it. Still love the bike.
I've come to really like that flexi Breezer frame, especially going over the rough stuff.
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Old 01-09-20, 03:25 PM
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Does anyone know if the Breezer Radar is sold as a bare frameset? It doesn't appear that it is (from Breezer's website), but I thought I'd ask anyway. One of my favorite bikes, for its ride compliance, is my 1997 Trek MultiTrack 750. I've wondered to myself what the closest analog is to it in a modern disc brake frame. It sounds like the Breezer Radar may be it.
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Originally Posted by hokiefyd View Post
Does anyone know if the Breezer Radar is sold as a bare frameset? It doesn't appear that it is (from Breezer's website), but I thought I'd ask anyway. One of my favorite bikes, for its ride compliance, is my 1997 Trek MultiTrack 750. I've wondered to myself what the closest analog is to it in a modern disc brake frame. It sounds like the Breezer Radar may be it.
Breezer was under the Performance Bike umbrella, so I think they're in kind of a limbo right now. A few of their bikes and frames seem to be available around the internet.
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It looks like Jenson had it at one point, for 300 bucks!! Thanks -- I'll keep my eye out.
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One of my favorite bikes, for its ride compliance, is my 1997 Trek MultiTrack 750. I've wondered to myself what the closest analog is to it in a modern disc brake frame. It sounds like the Breezer Radar may be it.
Many of them

This one with thru axles: https://blackmtncycles.com/frames/mcd-frames/ (also road+ frameset)
Double Cross (I have it), QR: https://www.somafab.com/archives/pro...ble-cross-disc Wolverine as well, but I am a heavy rider and did not want to deal with sliding dropouts.
Croix de Fer: https://www.genesisbikes.co.uk/bike/...de-fer-fs-2020
These have heat treated CrMo front triangle with thin gauge tubing, they are less overbuilt than Surly.

Many others in the higher price range (Reynolds 853 etc.).
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