Leebo

Is there some kind of question here?

jefnvk

There are elite riders whom ride inexpensive bikes. Likewise, there are people who wouldn't blink twice at buying a bike over $2k and yet only ride 100 miles a year. Cost of your equipment is not a determining factor in if your are elite or not.

I have no idea what the rest of your question is asking.

ClydeTim

I'm wondering the same thing!

Making out some of the last part, what kind of fool would by a Walmart bike then pay nearly as much for a bike fitting at an LBS?

1989Pre 

I have never set-foot in a Wal-Mart. Why should I? Shut them all down and restore your community.

pholuvr

Lots of fallacies above but you really should find an adult to explain the concept of "economies of scale" to you sometime. Once you understand that you should be less likely to make dumb posts like the one above.

pholuvr

Horses for courses. That $89 wonder would not last one ride on the trails that I enjoy.

quicktrigger

So millions per year build by Giant alone is not economy of scale? Millions more by Merida? !!! Talk about a dumb post. SMH!!!

Nice attempt at ignoring the complexity of manufacture of a computer compared to a bicycle.

pholuvr

Again, you are economics-challenged. "economies of scale" is something that you should have someone explain to you.

Also, maybe a $600 laptop is "nice" for your usage but for other folks, it's woefully inadequate. Just like your inane bike analogy.

pholuvr

It's refreshing to see you confirm your absolute confusion. Thanks for that. Even though it sucks that there are folks that are as confused as you are walking around in our society.

quicktrigger

And here you say nothing while trying to sound like you say something, and nothing to back up your nothingness but empty words of nothing!

quicktrigger

So you think billions of computers are built every year....

Someone is confused, but it ain't quicktrigger.....

nycphotography

Someone bout to get schooled up in hurr.

pholuvr

Please keep struggling while posting from your "nice" $600 laptop. It's funny. Thanks!

quicktrigger

Inside Giant's Taiwan frame factory ? part one - BikeRadar USA

"Giant builds more than 6.3 million bikes worldwide annually"

Only 6.3 Million for $1.8 Billion. No scale at all. Can't keep a single person busy all day with those numbers....

I'm done with you.

pholuvr

Thank you for proving my point. Computers are relatively less costly due to economies of scale (seriously - find an adult to explain this simple concept to you).

2015 Computer sales (units) 238,500,000
2015 Computer sales (revenue) $273 Billion

You're trying to compare apples to refrigerators. It's funny but only in a laughing at you kind of way.

quicktrigger

And that's a big fat so what. The advantage of economy of scale decreases as the volume increases. There comes a point of diminishing return simply because cost of materials dictate there can be no further reductions. That is one reason why the cost of TV's lower end stays about the same. Conversely complexity adds to the cost, simply because there are far more chance for components to be defective or fail. So a bicycle may have a 100 or so parts, many of them machine assembled (like wheels, tires, cassettes), the computer has many many thousands of small components, and millions of transistors in the CPU, all potential fail points. In the case of computers, robots do much of the assemble, but that does not change the fact that the number of engineers, techs, specialized maintenance, specialized equipment etc. So while you are trying to act like there is no relation, that is hardly the case. I use to do design work for a custom Al fab company, that you have seen and walked through their products hundreds of times without knowing it. I'm well familiar with scale, and that complexity is more costly, and overall automation reduces costs. Millions is more than enough to generate considerable economies of scale.

The funny is your not backing up anything, or even trying to until your last post. Go troll someone else. I'm done with you.

pholuvr

And here you once again expose your lack of understanding.

Billions (computers) generate a vastly different economy of scale vs. millions (bikes) so yeah, getting back to your original idiocy "I'm not going to spend 2K on a bike. Computers are tens of thousands of times more complex, much higher overhead of production, hundreds of times greater R&D cost, and are $600." it's just as idiotic, if not moreso after your vain attempt at defending it.

12strings

1. "Elite" and $2000 are random descriptors. I ride an $800 steel road bike, and can beat over half of the guys in our small bike club on their carbon cash machines. I suspect that the % of bikes purchased over $2000 is about 1%...compared to kids bikes and adult Walmart bikes, and normal bike shop bikes less than 2000.

2. LBS ALREADY do plenty of repair work on Walmart bikes... but not fitting.. nobody is going to spend $150 on a bike, then spend $150+ on a bike fit.

Leebo

Transistors? Chips?

EnjoyinTheRide

I felt I should clarify what constitutes an "elite" cyclist and the standard Walmart Bike Idiot lol. So in an effort to guide those who still havnt got it figured out yet, the below google images search should pretty much explain things lol... Because we all know the computer is always right lol......

Elite Cyclists lol. Sorry we cant deny them this category lol.....




Cheap Walmart bike idiot


Case solved LOL

Seattle Forrest

I'm not going to spend $600 on a computer. Love is much more valuable, and free.