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I want Campy 10 speed again

Old 04-25-19, 04:17 PM
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I want Campy 10 speed again

Really, I have tried and tried to adapt to the looks of Record 11 and 12, but my mind is so warped by the luxurious beauty of Record 10 that I am unable to conform and accept Record 11/12. Just can't get there. Dagnabit, Campy, please, please bring beauty back to Record!
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Old 04-25-19, 04:27 PM
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I haven't used the Campy 9s/10s, but I will say that the Campy 11s levers are very comfortable, and very functional.

You may well be able to use other versions of derailleurs with the Campy 11 if you wish, as well as using a variety of cranksets.

Anything aluminum can be polished.
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Old 04-25-19, 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by TiHabanero View Post
Really, I have tried and tried to adapt to the looks of Record 11 and 12, but my mind is so warped by the luxurious beauty of Record 10 that I am unable to conform and accept Record 11/12. Just can't get there. Dagnabit, Campy, please, please bring beauty back to Record!
Some of the Campagnolo product in those days...was...well...an abomination. Remember 10s started in Y2K IIRC, and ran for almost a decade AND LOTS of visual changes. Lots of "WTH" decisions that broke interoperability, as well as frustrated users. The "melted" asymmetrical hood shape started towards the end of 10s IIRC in Record.

I'm looking at you "Escape" shifting, as I recall Powershift wasn't a whole lot better--that madness no one wanted started in 2004 with bottom-tier and grew like a barnacle or STD across the entire mid/low range. There was the QS change that altered pull to break compatibility, across all tiers....only to be confounded in 2 years by US. And in 2009 the spare parts catalogs suddenly got very empty of small parts.


Then we could talk about BBs like Campagnolo AC-H from that era....that were about as well sealed as a screen door on a submarine IME.
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Originally Posted by Marcus_Ti View Post
Some of the Campagnolo product in those days...was...well...an abomination. Remember 10s started in Y2K IIRC, and ran for almost a decade AND LOTS of visual changes. Lots of "WTH" decisions that broke interoperability, as well as frustrated users. The "melted" asymmetrical hood shape started towards the end of 10s IIRC in Record.

I'm looking at you "Escape" shifting, as I recall Powershift wasn't a whole lot better--that madness no one wanted started in 2004 with bottom-tier and grew like a barnacle or STD across the entire mid/low range. There was the QS change that altered pull to break compatibility, across all tiers....only to be confounded in 2 years by US. And in 2009 the spare parts catalogs suddenly got very empty of small parts.


Then we could talk about BBs like Campagnolo AC-H from that era....that were about as well sealed as a screen door on a submarine IME.
Say what? Where is all this hate for Campy coming from? Did I miss where the world hated Campy for 10 speed stuff? I'm not seeing it.
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Old 04-25-19, 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by ridelikeaturtle View Post
Say what? Where is all this hate for Campy coming from? Did I miss where the world hated Campy for 10 speed stuff? I'm not seeing it.
Not hate "for Campy". No one loved the "escape" mechanism in the history of...ever.

Campy has made some great product over the years...OTOH the 10-speed years had several notable lemon/bad ideas.
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I'm one who picked over the carcass bones , when they abdicated to Shimano the MTB sector ,

and bought a few components to complete my touring bike build ... from closeouts


Euclid and Olympus they were a bit more substantial than 80s XT .... in weight ..



a cycle tourist arrived on the coast , had broken a Chorus carbon piece on their RD .
So had to hang out for a replacement part to be shipped, & installed..

it was chosen from their lower end parts tier .. metal , not carbon.

Touring? All Campag replacement parts are Special Order ,
but hotels food and drink are plentiful while you wait.








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Old 04-25-19, 09:31 PM
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I have Campy Athena 11s on my Bottecchia.

I think that it looks close to the old Campy stuff...just close enough to enhance the looks of my 1989 Bottecchia.

I have the new version of Record 11s on my other bikes.

It did take a while for me to get used to the look of the new cranks. Its functionality and performance won me over, however.


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I went used Campy 9-speed hubs and cassettes for my custom built in '07. Superbe DT shifters, a Hollowtech 105 crqankset, Dura-Ace triple FD, Campy Mirage RD. Only two complaints. Shimano Q-factor and front shifts too easily. The middle ring like to pick up the chain off the inner and drop the chain if the FD isn't rubbing whein I am on the two biggest cogs. (I use a chain watcher so I always get a gear, just not always what I want.)

Everything else? For this born and bred DT guy - to die for! That Mirage is the sweetest shifting derailleur I have ever ridden. The Campy cassette and DT? Again, sweet! And with a triple, 9 cogs is plenty. Not going to change until I can no longer get cogs except if a sweet Sugino crankset comes along, I'll get it in a flash.

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Totally agree Campagnolo have dropped the ball aesthetically with their 11 and 12 speed. Potenza looks OK but still has a hint of the spray painted wheelie bin about it

The other modern crankset offerings from Campag and Shimano just look like heat warped dork discs of old, I can't bring myself to drop a large chunk of change on something so ugly.

Campagnolo should be functionally great AND beautiful.

I have a 10 speed carbon Chorus on 1 bike, but my other 4 roadies all have 10 speed Chorus, the last of the proper silver cranks. Future classics for sure.
And a new Chorus 12 speed crank is how much...+$400?
That exact crank in the pic above, eBay, mint condition, $100 delivered.

Weight and performance difference between the two: negligible

Its a no-brainer really.

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Yes, I do miss the 'organic' look of the old Campag crank sets. Most of the modern ones are pretty hideous and Shimano cranks are frankly horrendous, in my view. Another reason why I went with SRAM on my current bike. It definitely isn't a thing of beauty like my old late 90s Chorus crank set but it is the best of a bad lot. I think the rest of the Campag groupsets are pretty ok, though. I especially like the skeleton brake calipers.

On the other hand, I really like how modern groups work. The SRAM Force gears just never miss a beat and the brakes are more powerful and more progressive.
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Originally Posted by botty kayer View Post
Totally agree Campagnolo have dropped the ball aesthetically with their 11 and 12 speed. Potenza looks OK but still has a hint of the spray painted wheelie bin about it

The other modern crankset offerings from Campag and Shimano just look like heat warped dork discs of old, I can't bring myself to drop a large chunk of change on something so ugly.

Campagnolo should be functionally great AND beautiful.

I have a 10 speed carbon Chorus on 1 bike, but my other 4 roadies all have 10 speed Chorus, the last of the proper silver cranks. Future classics for sure.
And a new Chorus 12 speed crank is how much...+$400?
That exact crank in the pic above, eBay, mint condition, $100 delivered.

Weight and performance difference between the two: negligible

Its a no-brainer really.
Also...with the 4-arm cranks, they use a 146mm/112mm BCD that AFAIK you cannot get from anyone other than Campagnolo....and being official OEM Campagnolo cost an arm and a leg.
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Itís all been downhill since c-record.
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@botty kayer, nice Bottecchia.
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Itís all been downhill since c-record.
It is OK to long for the aesthetics of the past. There is, however, a great deal to be said for the functionality, performance and yes, even beauty of the new.

My 1989 Bottecchia was originally equipped with a modified Campy Croce de Aune groupset.

Aesthetically, those components were gorgeous, especially the rear derailleur. Performance-wise, however, they didnít always work as well as they looked. The brakes, for example, were rubbish, especially in the rain. I had more than a few pucker-up moments trying to haul my bike to a complete stop while bombing it going down a steep hill.

If you wanted to make changes to the front chain ring gearing you couldn't do it, unless you changed the crank arms as well.

And the DT shifters were pretty to look at, but a pain to work during climbs (there are lots of hills where I live and ride so climbing is always in the menu).

Granted, the look of the new cCampy components is not everyoneís cup of tea, or grappa, but there is a beauty to the shape of the carbon crankarms that is very pleasing. The skeleton brakes have a purposeful look and the brifters/hoods combination look sexy IMHO.

In terms of functionality, the new Campy 11s group is awesome. The brakes are easily modulated and grab when they need to grab. The shifts are smooth, quick and crisp. And I can change chainrings without resorting to getting new crank arms.

I love the past but I also embrace the present and the future.
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I was just talking aesthetics. Nuovo record is the most beautiful, but functionaly kind of sucks. If I was racing, Iím sure it would matter... but I donít and it doesnít.
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Originally Posted by eja_ bottecchia View Post
I have Campy Athena 11s on my Bottecchia.

I think that it looks close to the old Campy stuff...just close enough to enhance the looks of my 1989 Bottecchia.

I have the new version of Record 11s on my other bikes.

It did take a while for me to get used to the look of the new cranks. Its functionality and performance won me over, however.

You win. /thread
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Great chance for me to post my 1979 Gianni Motta with Record 11 speed group:

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Great chance for me to post my 1979 Gianni Motta with Record 11 speed group:

My friend YOU win...thatís truly a gorgeous and sexy bike.
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Heck, if we're doing Campy of the past, I'll take the 8 speed Chorus/Racing T stuff I had on my Waterford, late 90's. Absolutely beautiful, fantastic function, great longevity. (no pics, unfortunately)
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Campy 10-speed. 3x10, to be accurate.



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Simply put, if the Italian car and motorcycle makers can consistently produce beautiful styling (within the generation of style) it seems that Campagnolo should be able to do the same. The cranks on the new stuff are butt-ugly. The rear der. look like some kind of doo-hicky from a project gone awry. Their brakes are fine, levers fine, but drive train components are simply ugly. Yuk!

I will keep my old stuff until they get it right and get wireless shifting down pat. The two together will be just the ticket.
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My friend YOU win...thatís truly a gorgeous and sexy bike.
I can see right now that we need to start an Italian Mutual Admiration Society.
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I can see right now that we need to start an Italian Mutual Admiration Society.
Si mio amico, we should. What is there not to love about the most beautiful and sexiest biciclettas in the world.
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10 speed Campy shifters are beautiful and they get more beautiful as time goes by. The newer stuff looks like orcsī vomit. 9sp shifters are not that nice but it has that very Batman look to it.



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