Go Back  Bike Forums > Bike Forums > Classic & Vintage
Reload this Page >

Clip in the middle of hubs

Search
Notices
Classic & Vintage This forum is to discuss the many aspects of classic and vintage bicycles, including musclebikes, lightweights, middleweights, hi-wheelers, bone-shakers, safety bikes and much more.

Clip in the middle of hubs

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 06-18-19, 05:13 AM
  #1  
Wharf Rat
Junior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jan 2017
Location: South Jersey
Posts: 151

Bikes: Miyata 610, Miyata 710, Cannondale SM500

Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 54 Post(s)
Liked 36 Times in 31 Posts
Clip in the middle of hubs

I see these on some older hubs. Looks like some sort of clip right in the middle. Can someone tell me what they are?
Thanks
Wharf Rat is offline  
Old 06-18-19, 05:46 AM
  #2  
T-Mar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Posts: 23,223
Mentioned: 654 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4722 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 3,036 Times in 1,874 Posts
The clips cover a small hole that was used to add oil. Grease is basically a soap-like carrier with oil added. The pre-synthetic greases would loose the oil and harden over time. You would periodically add oil through the port under the clip to "refreshen" the grease. Also, there were some cases where cyclists preferred to use oil over grease, such as track racers and time trialists. Way back in the 1890s, during the first bicycle boom, one of the hot topics of debate was whether it was better to oil or grease hubs,

Last edited by T-Mar; 06-18-19 at 05:50 AM.
T-Mar is offline  
Old 06-18-19, 07:04 AM
  #3  
JohnDThompson 
Old fart
 
JohnDThompson's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Appleton WI
Posts: 24,784

Bikes: Several, mostly not name brands.

Mentioned: 153 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3587 Post(s)
Liked 3,400 Times in 1,934 Posts
Originally Posted by T-Mar
there were some cases where cyclists preferred to use oil over grease, such as track racers and time trialists.
I've always found it curious that Campagnolo's Record road hubs had an oil port in the hub shell, but the Record track hubs did not. They both had a small port in the dustcap, so I guess that's how you were expected to add oil to the track hubs.
JohnDThompson is offline  
Old 06-18-19, 07:31 AM
  #4  
RobbieTunes
Banned.
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 27,199
Mentioned: 34 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 378 Post(s)
Liked 1,409 Times in 909 Posts
It’s where you add speed.
EVERYONE knows that....right?
RobbieTunes is offline  
Likes For RobbieTunes:
Old 06-18-19, 07:32 AM
  #5  
T-Mar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Posts: 23,223
Mentioned: 654 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4722 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 3,036 Times in 1,874 Posts
As an afterthought, I guess they should be referred to more generically as a lubrication ports, as some cyclists did use them to inject grease.
T-Mar is offline  
Old 06-18-19, 07:37 AM
  #6  
T-Mar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Posts: 23,223
Mentioned: 654 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4722 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 3,036 Times in 1,874 Posts
Originally Posted by JohnDThompson
I've always found it curious that Campagnolo's Record road hubs had an oil port in the hub shell, but the Record track hubs did not. They both had a small port in the dustcap, so I guess that's how you were expected to add oil to the track hubs.
I always liked the two piece plastic dust caps that were introduced on New Dura-Ace (7400 series). The lubrication ports could be opened and closed, and they are so much easier to remove and install than metal dust caps.
T-Mar is offline  
Old 06-18-19, 11:42 AM
  #7  
SurferRosa
señor miembro
 
SurferRosa's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2018
Location: Pac NW
Posts: 6,623

Bikes: '70s - '80s Campagnolo

Mentioned: 92 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3886 Post(s)
Liked 6,480 Times in 3,206 Posts
Originally Posted by Wharf Rat
I see these on some older hubs. Looks like some sort of clip right in the middle. Can someone tell me what they are?
Thanks
They're called oil clips, but they are just for aesthetics, not for oiling anymore. They look ... right. Campy hubs without them, like the nuovo tipo, look naked, like something is missing.
SurferRosa is offline  
Old 06-18-19, 11:53 AM
  #8  
madpogue 
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Madison, WI USA
Posts: 6,154
Mentioned: 50 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2363 Post(s)
Liked 1,749 Times in 1,191 Posts
Originally Posted by T-Mar
Way back in the 1890s, during the first bicycle boom, one of the hot topics of debate was whether it was better to oil or grease hubs,
Given the content of many a thread here, the wheels of debate are among the best-lubricated and longest-running.....
madpogue is offline  
Likes For madpogue:
Old 06-18-19, 12:00 PM
  #9  
DiabloScott
It's MY mountain
 
DiabloScott's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Mt.Diablo
Posts: 10,002

Bikes: Klein, Merckx, Trek

Mentioned: 70 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4338 Post(s)
Liked 2,980 Times in 1,617 Posts
Originally Posted by madpogue
Given the content of many a thread here, the wheels of debate are among the best-lubricated and longest-running.....
They were reportedly so good, that some people were known to draw fake oil hole covers on plain hubs.
DiabloScott is offline  
Old 06-18-19, 12:56 PM
  #10  
Wharf Rat
Junior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jan 2017
Location: South Jersey
Posts: 151

Bikes: Miyata 610, Miyata 710, Cannondale SM500

Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 54 Post(s)
Liked 36 Times in 31 Posts
I would’ve never guessed that’s what they were for. Thanks for solving that mystery for me.
Wharf Rat is offline  
Old 06-18-19, 01:08 PM
  #11  
canklecat
Me duelen las nalgas
 
canklecat's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: Texas
Posts: 13,513

Bikes: Centurion Ironman, Trek 5900, Univega Via Carisma, Globe Carmel

Mentioned: 199 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4559 Post(s)
Liked 2,802 Times in 1,800 Posts
If you spot those on camera lenses, they're for refreshing the bokeh.
canklecat is offline  
Likes For canklecat:
Old 06-18-19, 02:26 PM
  #12  
madpogue 
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Madison, WI USA
Posts: 6,154
Mentioned: 50 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2363 Post(s)
Liked 1,749 Times in 1,191 Posts
^^^^ Important. Nothing worse than the smell of stale bokeh....

Who knew that, back when we used what are now "C&V" 35mm cameras (before they were C or V), that one day there would be a high-falutin' word for "the stuff that's intentionally out of focus"?

(Gets me thinking - if I mount my 45-year-old 10.5cm F2.5 full manual AI-hacked lens on my D750, can I call the out-of-focus background "bokeh"?)
madpogue is offline  
Likes For madpogue:
Old 06-18-19, 03:43 PM
  #13  
Chombi1 
Senior Member
 
Chombi1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2015
Posts: 4,485
Mentioned: 102 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1639 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 829 Times in 538 Posts
Originally Posted by RobbieTunes
It’s where you add speed.
EVERYONE knows that....right?
Yup!, Speed Juice Ports!
Chombi1 is offline  
Old 06-18-19, 04:36 PM
  #14  
robertorolfo
Senior Member
 
robertorolfo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: Queens, NY for now...
Posts: 1,515

Bikes: 82 Lotus Unique, 86 Lotus Legend, 88 Basso Loto, 88 Basso PR, 89 Basso PR, 96 Bianchi CDI, 2013 Deda Aegis, 2019 Basso Diamante SV

Mentioned: 46 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 943 Post(s)
Liked 172 Times in 113 Posts
Originally Posted by Chombi1
Yup!, Speed Juice Ports!
Maybe also, "Intimidation Ports", because if you see someone (or better yet, their mechanic) putting some oil in on the starting line of a race, you know that guy means business.
robertorolfo is offline  
Old 06-18-19, 05:00 PM
  #15  
Bandera
~>~
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: TX Hill Country
Posts: 5,931
Mentioned: 87 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1112 Post(s)
Liked 180 Times in 119 Posts
"Back when" there was a new guy in the club who fancied himself an Expert on the TT and endlessly slagged on and on about how we simply had no clue on how to set-up for the event.
Considering that this was in the day before dedicated funny bikes existed and the total prep for a TT was:

1) Bury stem
B) Fit straight-block on race wheels
III) Attach mechanical stopwatch holder to bars (don't forget to wind the watch)
4) Have at it

I was informed that the only way to be competitive was to replace bearing grease with Oil, which he dutifully pumped into the oil port on his Campag hubs before the start.
At "3-2-1 Go!" he slipped his rear wheel on the held start having never tested it's QR security in a big gear launch and promptly fell over in a heap to DNF while leaking oil onto the road having gone nowhere. An impressive demonstration of paying rapt attention to the less than marginal while totally ignoring the completely Essential.

I still laugh about that many years on, he is forever known as "Slippery_Sam" to us.

-Bandera

Last edited by Bandera; 06-18-19 at 05:11 PM.
Bandera is offline  
Old 06-18-19, 11:41 PM
  #16  
canklecat
Me duelen las nalgas
 
canklecat's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: Texas
Posts: 13,513

Bikes: Centurion Ironman, Trek 5900, Univega Via Carisma, Globe Carmel

Mentioned: 199 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4559 Post(s)
Liked 2,802 Times in 1,800 Posts
Originally Posted by madpogue
^^^^ Important. Nothing worse than the smell of stale bokeh....
Did Sigma include bokeh calibration with their USB Dock?

Who knew that, back when we used what are now "C&V" 35mm cameras (before they were C or V), that one day there would be a high-falutin' word for "the stuff that's intentionally out of focus"?
I blame/thank Mike Johnston for creating the bokeh craze in the US. As a writer/editor for Photo Techniques in the '90s, Mike wrote about the Japanese concept of boke, changing the spelling to bokeh to help Americans with the approximate pronunciation. For years, even to most Japanese folks, boke just referred to one's dotty, forgetful or foolish uncle ("fuzzy" headed, like fuzzy out of focus areas). Johnston basically conveyed the concept of bokeh as a description of the subjective *quality* of the out of focus areas, so there was good, bad and middling bokeh.

(Gets me thinking - if I mount my 45-year-old 10.5cm F2.5 full manual AI-hacked lens on my D750, can I call the out-of-focus background "bokeh"?)
Why not? My 105/2.5 AI Nikkor is one of the best lenses I've ever owned, sharp even wide open with generally good bokeh. But most Nikkors show what the Japanese called nisen-bokeh, with rather harsh edges, often doubled or tripled, a result of over-correction in pursuit of optimal sharpness, contrast, etc. The best Nikkor bokeh I've seen is with my old pre-AI 180/2.8 ED. The 85/2 AI-S is very good too. Most of my Nikkors show that nisen-bokeh. Older Canon FD and pre-FD lenses often had more pleasant bokeh. But if you ask Olympus fans, Zuikos were pre-injected at the factory with the best bokeh, then the bokeh injection port was sealed so only Maitani could reach it again.
canklecat is offline  
Old 06-19-19, 12:45 AM
  #17  
Dave Mayer
Senior Member
 
Dave Mayer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 2,500
Mentioned: 19 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1370 Post(s)
Liked 475 Times in 277 Posts
Originally Posted by Wharf Rat
I see these on some older hubs. Looks like some sort of clip right in the middle. Can someone tell me what they are?
Thanks
Holes are for grease injection. Slide the cover to the side and pump the hub with grease until the old contaminated stuff shoots out both sides. Hubs are now good as overhauled.

Anticipating the concerns of fussy and pedantic C&V individuals here, I will respond in advance that yes, the extra grease in the hub shell will add 0.2 Watts of extra resistance, until the surplus oozes out over time.

And yes, purging with grease will not clean out 100% of the old. The horror. Maybe only 95% clean. Repeat the purge and now only 5% of 5% remains. Clean enough now?

The old Campagnolo Record freewheel hubs were the best wet weather hubs ever made. No seals. But since it only takes a few minutes to clean out the internals of these by grease injection, they could last forever. These are the hubs I used on my rain bike.
Dave Mayer is offline  
Old 06-19-19, 04:56 AM
  #18  
rootboy 
Senior Member
 
rootboy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Wherever
Posts: 16,748
Mentioned: 92 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 556 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 132 Times in 78 Posts
I obviously need to inject some speed juice into my bokeh ports.
If only I could find the right nozzle.
rootboy is offline  
Old 06-19-19, 05:10 AM
  #19  
Kabuki12
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2016
Posts: 3,448
Mentioned: 33 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 874 Post(s)
Liked 2,287 Times in 1,278 Posts
Originally Posted by Dave Mayer
Holes are for grease injection. Slide the cover to the side and pump the hub with grease until the old contaminated stuff shoots out both sides. Hubs are now good as overhauled.

Anticipating the concerns of fussy and pedantic C&V individuals here, I will respond in advance that yes, the extra grease in the hub shell will add 0.2 Watts of extra resistance, until the surplus oozes out over time.

And yes, purging with grease will not clean out 100% of the old. The horror. Maybe only 95% clean. Repeat the purge and now only 5% of 5% remains. Clean enough now?

The old Campagnolo Record freewheel hubs were the best wet weather hubs ever made. No seals. But since it only takes a few minutes to clean out the internals of these by grease injection, they could last forever. These are the hubs I used on my rain bike.
What type of attachment would one use for use on a standard grease gun to use this method? Sounds a lot easier than taking the cones apart. Joe
Kabuki12 is offline  
Old 06-19-19, 05:47 AM
  #20  
top506
Death fork? Naaaah!!
 
top506's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: The other Maine, north of RT 2
Posts: 5,325

Bikes: Seriously downsizing.

Mentioned: 49 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 559 Post(s)
Liked 629 Times in 280 Posts
Originally Posted by canklecat


But most Nikkors show what the Japanese called nisen-bokeh, with rather harsh edges, often doubled or tripled, a result of over-correction in pursuit of optimal sharpness, contrast, etc. The best Nikkor bokeh I've seen is with my old pre-AI 180/2.8 ED. The 85/2 AI-S is very good too. Most of my Nikkors show that nisen-bokeh. Older Canon FD and pre-FD lenses often had more pleasant bokeh. But if you ask Olympus fans, Zuikos were pre-injected at the factory with the best bokeh, then the bokeh injection port was sealed so only Maitani could reach it again.
You want bokeh? Try the single coated pre-war Zeiss Sonnars, notably
the 80/2.

Top
__________________
You know it's going to be a good day when the stem and seatpost come right out.

(looking for a picture and not seeing it? Thank the Photobucket fiasco.PM me and I'll link it up.)
top506 is offline  
Old 06-19-19, 06:21 AM
  #21  
tiger1964 
Senior Member
 
tiger1964's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Maryland, USA
Posts: 2,433

Bikes: Drysdale/Gitane/Zeus/Masi/Falcon/Palo Alto/Raleigh/Legnano

Mentioned: 34 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 983 Post(s)
Liked 632 Times in 403 Posts
Originally Posted by SurferRosa
They're called oil clips, but they are just for aesthetics, not for oiling anymore. They look ... right. Campy hubs without them, like the nuovo tipo, look naked, like something is missing.
Perhaps someone (VO?) should come out with a retrofit kit. Or at least a decal.
__________________
Larry:1958 Drysdale, 1961 Gitane Gran Sport, 1974 Zeus track, 1988 Masi Gran Corsa, 1974 Falcon, 1980 Palo Alto, 1973 Raleigh Gran Sport, 1974 Legnano. Susan: 1976 Windsor Profesional.


tiger1964 is offline  
Old 06-19-19, 06:33 AM
  #22  
T-Mar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Posts: 23,223
Mentioned: 654 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4722 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 3,036 Times in 1,874 Posts
Circa 1989, SunTour licensed Wilderness trail Bikes' Grease Guard technology which used a Zerk-like fitting to inject grease into hubs, bottom brackets, pedals and headsets. It was used on their top of the line ATB group, XC Pro. Unlike the traditional hub lubrication ports, the grease Guard hubs had two ports, directly adjacent to the bearing races.
T-Mar is offline  
Old 06-19-19, 07:24 AM
  #23  
momoman
Full Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: SGV SoCal
Posts: 250

Bikes: 2013 Wilier Gran Turismo, 1983 Trek 760, 80's Colnago Super, 90's De Rosa SLX, 2009 Waterford 22 Series Singlespeed, 85 Medici Pro Strada, De Rosa Alumino frameset, Dave Molten Fuso frameset, 70's beater Peugeot PX10, Zizzo Liberte, 2022 Yoeleo R12

Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 122 Post(s)
Liked 199 Times in 92 Posts
Originally Posted by Dave Mayer
Holes are for grease injection. Slide the cover to the side and pump the hub with grease until the old contaminated stuff shoots out both sides. Hubs are now good as overhauled.

Anticipating the concerns of fussy and pedantic C&V individuals here, I will respond in advance that yes, the extra grease in the hub shell will add 0.2 Watts of extra resistance, until the surplus oozes out over time.

And yes, purging with grease will not clean out 100% of the old. The horror. Maybe only 95% clean. Repeat the purge and now only 5% of 5% remains. Clean enough now?

The old Campagnolo Record freewheel hubs were the best wet weather hubs ever made. No seals. But since it only takes a few minutes to clean out the internals of these by grease injection, they could last forever. These are the hubs I used on my rain bike.
About 7 years ago when I got back into riding I only had my vintage Trek 760 with campy hubs hanging in my garage. It had been hanging there for 20 yrs or so. When I asked one of my old biking buddies if I could borrow his cone wrenches he told me to do exactly what you said instead. He lent me his grease gun with Phil Wood grease and told me to squirt away. I had never thought of that......
momoman is offline  
Old 06-19-19, 12:28 PM
  #24  
Dave Mayer
Senior Member
 
Dave Mayer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 2,500
Mentioned: 19 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1370 Post(s)
Liked 475 Times in 277 Posts
Grease injection is a major timesaver, plus avoids the risk of mis-adjustments on bearing setup.

I never disassemble pedals anymore for cleaning. Fussy setup and a million little ball bearings. If they are set up reasonably, I just blast new grease in from the outside of the pedal (usually a hole in the dustcap). The old stuff gets pushed out towards the inside for cleanup.

If the pedals do not have an injection port, then I remove the dustcap and drill one.
Dave Mayer is offline  
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
roccobike
Classic & Vintage
27
07-16-15 05:32 AM
surreal
Bicycle Mechanics
15
01-11-14 01:37 PM
balindamood
Classic & Vintage
18
12-24-11 09:48 AM
scale
Classic & Vintage
4
05-11-11 08:38 AM
scozim
Classic & Vintage
12
04-26-10 02:14 PM

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service -

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.