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Old 10-21-19, 08:42 AM
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C&V Heart Rates....

Do you "listen?"
How strict are you about the limits?
Is the "220 less your age" a real solid parameter?
Should I write a will?

Of course, mine increases when I see a certain someone, or if Helen Hunt would call me on the phone....

However, I've been taking a lot of grief lately about heart rate. The savvy, experienced (and much faster) cyclists I've been riding with simply don't think it possible. I've swapped HR monitors, but now I'm going to get a Fitbit, because I need a different "report" to see if it really is my Garmin messing up.

On a compact, steel Fiorini, compact 50/34, running hard for 30 miles. 205 average, 250 max. :

2 days later, on a 52/36, steel Wraith, running about the same. 5 lb lighter bike. 177 avg, 221 max.
Seemed safer, but the Fiorini is just so sweet. :


Then, on a 111-miler, which basically took a day. 151 avg, 204 max (Cat 4 climb)
No hurry, as if there should be on a long ride.
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Which Fitbit model are you considering?

(I can't see those links?)
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Originally Posted by TriBiker19 View Post
Which Fitbit model are you considering?

(I can't see those links?)
Something cheap, as all I want is a 2nd readout on an accurate HR.

People tell me I'm a goner, given my HR.
This while on a 57 mile bike ride, where I'm climbing well and feeling just fine (other than the legs)
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IMO, 220 minus your age is a rule of thumb for the average sedentary person who is just starting to exercise. When I was competing, I used to monitor my heart rate routinely and I was always above the recommended bpm. I've had three different HRM over the years and never saw a big difference between them or the results from the lab stress tests that I did.
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Some skin tones can throw off optical HR readers, to cross-check if you can get one you should use a chest strap model with electrode contacts for a more accurate measurement.
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Originally Posted by RobbieTunes View Post
Something cheap, as all I want is a 2nd readout on an accurate HR.

People tell me I'm a goner, given my HR.
This while on a 57 mile bike ride, where I'm climbing well and feeling just fine (other than the legs)
My running partner had a Charge that she didn't mind. It gave her accurate readings--to the point that she figured out she was pregnant by change in heart rate alone. I had an Alta HR and while it was accurate, trying to get the display to pop up was tedious. I've switched to an Apple Watch since.

That rate's quite high. What's your resting rate, though?
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At the risk of stating the obvious, I would ask a cardiologist.
Is your resting hr also high?
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I once had a HRM that would get wonky on me at times. It would show I was at 160, and then start registering 240. (1.5 times actual)

That said, there can be a huge natural variation in max heartrates. Would be worth verifying your HRM isn't glitchy, but plan B really should be to see a doctor about this.
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Originally Posted by USAZorro View Post
I once had a HRM that would get wonky on me at times. It would show I was at 160, and then start registering 240. (1.5 times actual)

Mine will do that, too. I normally max in the mid 180s and it'll suddenly show that I shot up to the 220s. I reboot it.

But I agree with seeing the doctor.
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220-age works for a large sample of sedentary people. For individual athletes, it's pretty worthless. That said, those spikes above 200 look unusual. Maybe check your HRM battery. I notice I get a lot of crazy spikes when mine is starting to go out.
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Originally Posted by caloso View Post
Maybe check your HRM battery. I notice I get a lot of crazy spikes when mine is starting to go out.
I hope this is the case. 🙂 My BP has always been lower than normal, to the point that nurses or doctors who've checked it, would often do it 2 or 3 times, to make sure. 🤔 Some joked that I was TOO healthy, lol. 😁
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What's normal for some isn't normal for all. I know people that have a BP of 90/50 consistently and are healthy as a horse while I've been fighting hypertension for 20 plus years. Geez, maybe that's my normal... If you're going hard and not feeling any side effects, I'd just go with it. But like others have said, if you want confirmation that it really is that high, go see a doc. I am curious what your sedentary readings are though.
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I use a mi band 4 and love it, it rarely goes above 150 for me at 63yo.
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in the 2000s I had a Polar 720i that I liked but I sold that when I decided that I was being a slave to data and that made riding a drudge and I wanted it to be fun again, funny that is when I found C&V too. I do a HR BP test in my local RiteAid at a Higi station once a month and rarely push hard enough on rides to worry about max hr, but then again I don't do competitive rides. YMMV
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RT,
Some medical advice is better left to your cardiologist, not the internet...better to be safe than.....
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+1 to all that recommend a discussion with a physician.

Another consideration could be environmental - I've ridden close to powerlines and had them interfere with my HRM, although it returned to normal.

Lastly - a bit old school but do the artery / stopwatch check. Check your pulse, either from your wrist or neck for 20 seconds and then times three to get your HR. This should give you some directional info if your monitor is accurate.
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Not sure....gut says if feels high

agree with check doc...probably best is you can find a doc with sports background....

Questions
What garmin?
Is it wrist based?
If it is wrist based and you can also use a chest band have you tried that?

Another test is using your smart phone to check you pulse and compare or a home blood pressure machine and of course there is always getting a pulse from the carotid artery

what is your resting heart rate?

FWIW
I am using a garmin Fenix 5x (had a garmin vivoactive Hr before)

over all is seems accurate using the cell phone and blood pressure monitor tests

I once in a while get spikes on the high end. I gut check by how I feel I am breathing and heart pounding

more often i get low reading for a part of the morning commute
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I like the fitbit charge 3 a lot. I keep meaning to use the heart rate function on my GPS but I never seem to put on my strap before going on a ride. The fitbit does a good job of telling me the zones I'm in after the ride. The only downside--and it's not much of one--is that the fitbit does a poor job of translating time on the bike to "steps."
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Robbie, you and I have had this discussion before, and our max & average heart rates are miles apart.
My resting is in the mid 60's, max is around 170 but I don't go that high on a ride, maybe 155 and an average of 130-ish.

Agree with many others here, go see a doctor and find out if your heart rate is being accurately measured and/or is problematic.
Have him do a stress test.
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At 68, my resting is low-mid 40s.
5 years ago a friend loaned me his HRM with chest strap, I couldn't get above 165 on mostly flat terrain. I haven't used one lately, nor in the mountains.

2 doctors have asked me why i want to evaluate my max.
Last treadmill stress test at the hospital, the tech refused to allow me to exceed 150, which is 220 - age (approx).

edit: no Rx meds.

re-edit: Last time I was in GJ, CO at 5,000 ft - I couldn't suck enough air, even after 4 days with gentle acclimatizing rides. Any steep climbs had me stopping frequently. Reason = a heart/respiration rate I couldn't sustain. No chest pains, just no air. That would be the environment where I'd best check max, if I cared. That trip, I did ride the Monument and from Mesa to PowerHorn and out to Vega(?) park, plus the littler rides. Guess I heard those drs in my head - why put yourself at ANY risk of chest pain? - unless you are still racing for a living or the ego, or the thrill of it?!?

Remember my age - my opinions are based on being older - everyone defines that for themselves.
For healthiness they say you can get 90% efficiency in 'fitness' with no more than 8-10 hours training/week.
Not all of it has to be hardcore HIITs, some prefer more mellow LSD sessions.
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C&V heart rates...... hmmmm.....

Even at her age of 65.... Christie Brinkley.

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I recently started using a heart rate monitor and have been pondering the same sort of questions. 220-age tells me mine is 155. I routinely run above 130 on a ride and can get into the 150s on modest hills. My resting HR is in the high 40s, so in theory I have a fair amount of room between resting and max.

What exactly does "max heart rate" mean (ignoring the rule-of-thumb equation)? Is it the fastest your sinus node will tick, does it reflect some level above which your heart loses efficiency, or does it represent some sort of danger level (risk of throwing a clot or some major electrical malfunction)?
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I'm on Metoprolol beta blocker for aortic stenosis. Its like a speed governor on an old U-Haul. I usually average 108-110 and peak is usually below 140 bpm. My resting HR is in the low to mid 40s. My cardio doctor told me average HR is more important than max bpm on a ride - as long as it comes back down when you back off. I'm 70, in decent shape, usually 14-16 mph average speed. I am an ex racer, but that was 50 years ago. Before the beta blocker, I would max about 165 bpm, but not come down for a very long time. I have less power now, but like the fact that I may live longer to enjoy it. I use a Garmin 810 with chest strap, and wear a Garmin Vivosmart watch with HR as a backup.
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How old are you? Did I miss that?

As others said, 220-age is just a rough starting point to estimate max HR. I use a Garmin chest strap. Most of the time it is pretty accurate, but it sometimes reads wonky when I first start out.

My wife has a fitbit, its HR readings when she rides are not much better than a WAG. It is a bit more reliable when she's on the treadmill, but cycling it's not even close, she will climb a hill at max exertion and the fitbit will show 85. If I take her pulse it's more like 150.

FYI I'm age 61, just under 200#, my resting HR is about 48-50, looking at my Garmin data over the last 12 months, my average HR is 120, my average max HR per ride is 165, my highest HR is 177.

A couple riders in our club, similar age, were seeing rates north of 200, turns out they have AFib. See a doctor and get properly checked out.
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Originally Posted by smontanaro View Post
I recently started using a heart rate monitor and have been pondering the same sort of questions. 220-age tells me mine is 155. I routinely run above 130 on a ride and can get into the 150s on modest hills. My resting HR is in the high 40s, so in theory I have a fair amount of room between resting and max.

What exactly does "max heart rate" mean (ignoring the rule-of-thumb equation)? Is it the fastest your sinus node will tick, does it reflect some level above which your heart loses efficiency, or does it represent some sort of danger level (risk of throwing a clot or some major electrical malfunction)?
It literally means your maximum heart rate: the fastest your heart can beat. I don't use a formula, I use my observed highest HR. Whether it represents some sort of danger is a separate question.

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