I was Refused Service at McDonalds
06-21-18, 12:27 PM
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I can imagine all sorts of things. Mostly when I imagine pedestrians in drive thru lanes, it isn't particularly positive things I think of. $60 in sales when 30 drunk people show up and order two $1 menu burritos each and are all congregating in my drive thru lane is likely far more trouble than it is worth.
There simply is nothing that is going to convince me that rescinding the policy for the whims of the random cyclist who can't be bothered to carry a lock that may come through every few days or weeks is worth it for the company, and that is the only point that matters. There are far more drawbacks to the entirety of the situation than benefits to the company.
06-21-18, 12:52 PM
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What you are stating here is just more stupid rules and more stupid rules based on stupid theoretical assumptions and / or conclusions. Fact; When potential customers are inconvenienced they will either not go to your place of business or they will go somewhere else. How much this makes a difference is up to the owners. I can't tell you how many times I've been sitting in the parking lot of the local Taco Bell ( late at night ) and watch as cars full of young people pull up thinking the inside is open only to find that the drive thru is the only option. Sadly the girls ( usually what I see ) need to take a pee and have no access to the restrooms. At that point the only thing open near by with accessible restrooms is either the McD's ( across town ) or the Royal Farms ( both about equal distance away ) There are times when I'm glad I'm a man because I have no qualms about walking behind a dumpster and letting it hang out ( if that is my only option ). Believe me, if there was a Checkers near where I live and it was open late at night I would love to ride my bike there to get me a late night snack once in a while.
Carloads of young people late at night aka drunk wanting to use the bathroom sounds like a fun mess to clean up. Hopefully they order more than enough food to offset.
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06-21-18, 01:34 PM
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Well, that's your imagination and not reality. I can tell you that the product that you're likely to sell in a given period of time is predictable to a degree that you probably don't imagine, and it's not going to be 30 times "two $1 burritos", not unless they're way under-priced. 30 orders are 30 orders, and if you've ever run a place you'll realize that you don't really care if they're in the drive thru. Other than that being preferable to them coming inside, since there you need to provide service (if that's what you do) and at least clean up after them.
If your argument is that some businesses could benefit from a walk up window separate from the drive thru, or to stay open inside later, I'm certainly not going to argue that point (although, a window would take a fundamental redesign of many buildings). My argument relates to there being FAR more business drawback to allowing pedestrians and cyclists into that lane than there are benefits, and the sales they are losing by not allowing it is really marginal.
After all, if you want to talk about maximizing profits, one hit cyclist or pedestrian in your drive thru line could shut you down all night.
06-21-18, 03:58 PM
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You may well be right about the reasons individual managers or owners have. My opinion is that they're silly for it, and haven't given enough thought about priorities. My hope is that if enough people get the idea that they're getting smoke blown up their back about it, and complain to those folks, then maybe I can get my late night $1 menu items when I want, on foot if I want.
After all, if you want to talk about maximizing profits, one hit cyclist or pedestrian in your drive thru line could shut you down all night.
06-21-18, 05:26 PM
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who still eats fast food shame on you for even going near a mcdonalds , that place is destroying the food supply our country the health of children , shame shame shame ON YOOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
06-21-18, 06:52 PM
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okay, that's just ridiculous
Come on.
Come on.
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06-22-18, 12:25 AM
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Gotta love a Frito burrito.. what is this life if we can’t occasionally indulge in something that’s bad for you?? But really, I have went through numerous fast food drive ins on my bike without a problem. I can only remember once when gave have me crap at the Burger King. Probably just depends on who is working and what they allow. Also, maybe liability issue? I was recently in an accident where I was hit with a door and although I was on my bike, the insurance company says I am considered a pedestrian. So maybe McDonalds insurance company considers us bikers pedestrians? Just a wild guess.
06-22-18, 06:53 AM
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Doesn't matter if you post "at your own risk" signs or not. If you're part of a major corporation, you're gonna get sued because that's where the money is. And they'll file a lawsuit hoping you'll just throw some money their way to settle it.
06-22-18, 07:40 AM
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And I think it has been fairly proven time and again that not even waivers, let alone signs, regarding "at your own risk" means a lot when it comes to lawsuits.
06-22-18, 12:12 PM
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Interestingly yesterday I decided to go to a McD's where I was working and asked a couple questions. I asked the girl at the drive thru window if I ordered via the "Mobile app" if I could do this on a bike. She said that when you order on the mobile app they look to see who is waiting in the reserve parking area. If someone is in the numbered spot they bring the food out to you. Not sure if this is offered where I live or if it will actually work if on a bike but I might give it a try one night if I decide to download the app. Been a while since I ate McD food. The crispy chicken sandwich I ate didn't settle too well in my stomach. Perhaps this is all "food for thought" but not necessarily something you want to eat.
06-22-18, 01:28 PM
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I don't eat at McDonalds very often... but when I do, I order a Double Quarter Pounder with cheese.
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Yes, because that is exactly how the authorities prefer you treat a situation in which someone gets run over by a car
And I think it has been fairly proven time and again that not even waivers, let alone signs, regarding "at your own risk" means a lot when it comes to lawsuits.
And I think it has been fairly proven time and again that not even waivers, let alone signs, regarding "at your own risk" means a lot when it comes to lawsuits.
06-22-18, 09:01 PM
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I only read the title.
You shouldn't be angry, you should be grateful. They did you a HUGE favor.
That C*R*A*P is POISON.
You shouldn't be angry, you should be grateful. They did you a HUGE favor.
That C*R*A*P is POISON.
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06-23-18, 08:31 AM
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If people only knew the truth of what gets put into fast food.....It's no wonder that we have a obesity epidemic, even many people who are physically active including cyclists are overweight and have a hard time loosing those extra pounds. You just can't out-exercise a bad diet.
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If people only knew the truth of what gets put into fast food.....It's no wonder that we have a obesity epidemic, even many people who are physically active including cyclists are overweight and have a hard time loosing those extra pounds. You just can't out-exercise a bad diet.
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If people only knew the truth of what gets put into fast food.....It's no wonder that we have a obesity epidemic, even many people who are physically active including cyclists are overweight and have a hard time loosing those extra pounds. You just can't out-exercise a bad diet.
https://www.mcdonalds.com/ca/en-ca/product/big-mac.html
Neither obesity nor nor poor health is caused by occasionally eating fast food, any more than occasionally eating a big slice of home made apple pie. It only occurs when you do so on a very regular basis. I have never heard a reasonable person argue that fast food should make up the bulk of your regular diet.
Obesity is simply calories in vs calories out over a protracted period of time. It can happen if you eat too many Big Mac's or too many apple pies.
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It's American Cheese PRODUCT. That ain't cheese, no way, no how.
It's PSEUDO-cheese: unfermented dairy products, emulsifiers (usually sodium phosphate, tartrate or citrate), salt, food coloring and whey.
And that's just the cheese.
I recommend this thread be closed.
It's 2018 & people still don't get it.
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You shouldn't try to limit conversation just because you can't control the flow of its content. We are all big kids here.
unless you'd prefer a dictatorship where certain forms of food service are banned, the logical approach is to encourage discussion wherein understanding the real causes and cures of obesity are talked about rather than knee jerk reactions to one particular retail outlet.
unless you'd prefer a dictatorship where certain forms of food service are banned, the logical approach is to encourage discussion wherein understanding the real causes and cures of obesity are talked about rather than knee jerk reactions to one particular retail outlet.
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You shouldn't try to limit conversation just because you can't control the flow of its content. We are all big kids here.
unless you'd prefer a dictatorship where certain forms of food service are banned, the logical approach is to encourage discussion wherein understanding the real causes and cures of obesity are talked about rather than knee jerk reactions to one particular retail outlet.
unless you'd prefer a dictatorship where certain forms of food service are banned, the logical approach is to encourage discussion wherein understanding the real causes and cures of obesity are talked about rather than knee jerk reactions to one particular retail outlet.
I can relate. This thread has been basically solved by the OP in post No.10. Everything since has been entertainment.
06-23-18, 01:14 PM
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Yep. The ops dilemma is just what it is. While I can sympathise, life isn't always fair.
I stopped drinking years ago yet somehow bars still remain in operation, even though alcohol related illness and injury are well established facts. I could hate on those establishments, even picking one major chain in particular to foist my vitriol on, but I'm mature enough to recognize consumption is primarily an individual responsibility - and that's with a substance that has specific properties that tend to make you want to drink more of it.
Thus, the McD hating is basically misgided to me.
I stopped drinking years ago yet somehow bars still remain in operation, even though alcohol related illness and injury are well established facts. I could hate on those establishments, even picking one major chain in particular to foist my vitriol on, but I'm mature enough to recognize consumption is primarily an individual responsibility - and that's with a substance that has specific properties that tend to make you want to drink more of it.
Thus, the McD hating is basically misgided to me.
06-23-18, 01:21 PM
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You actually believe it's cheese?
It's American Cheese PRODUCT. That ain't cheese, no way, no how.
It's PSEUDO-cheese: unfermented dairy products, emulsifiers (usually sodium phosphate, tartrate or citrate), salt, food coloring and whey.
And that's just the cheese.
I recommend this thread be closed.....
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It's American Cheese PRODUCT. That ain't cheese, no way, no how.
It's PSEUDO-cheese: unfermented dairy products, emulsifiers (usually sodium phosphate, tartrate or citrate), salt, food coloring and whey.
And that's just the cheese.
I recommend this thread be closed.....
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06-23-18, 01:23 PM
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You actually believe it's cheese?
It's American Cheese PRODUCT. That ain't cheese, no way, no how.
It's PSEUDO-cheese: unfermented dairy products, emulsifiers (usually sodium phosphate, tartrate or citrate), salt, food coloring and whey.
And that's just the cheese.
I recommend this thread be closed.
It's 2018 & people still don't get it.
It's American Cheese PRODUCT. That ain't cheese, no way, no how.
It's PSEUDO-cheese: unfermented dairy products, emulsifiers (usually sodium phosphate, tartrate or citrate), salt, food coloring and whey.
And that's just the cheese.
I recommend this thread be closed.
It's 2018 & people still don't get it.
I'm not convinced the other side has it right, either.
06-23-18, 01:45 PM
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That was too easy
Hahahaha, I knew that last one would rile up some defenders of freedom who choose to remain blind to facts.
Ignorance is treatable, stupidity is not.
I think I'm done here. Carry on.
Ignorance is treatable, stupidity is not.
I think I'm done here. Carry on.